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Well, when your sitting president is reality TV trash, you can't expect much else.
Wakka, wakka, wakka!

Seriously though, I can't recall the last election that wasn't just mud slinging. Trump's taken it to a new level but it's not a new phenomenon.
 

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08 especially, because it was such a blowout and Obama and Mccain were honorable men.
I remember McCain scolding his supporters who were calling Obama some nasty things. Told them to their face to stop.

Boy we could really use McCain. Or even a GOP leader who does the right thing and tries to remind people to be adults instead of name-calling bullies.

Or even an adult as POTUS.
 

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I thought 2008 and 2012 were milder affairs compared to 2004 and 2016.
I think a vacuum cleaner is milder in suction than a black hole but I wouldn't want to stick my prick in either of them. :p

I'd just love to see an election be about who the better man/woman is for the job as opposed to negativity. No binders full of women, no "Yeaaah!", like nothing stupid. Just talk about the issues.
 

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I think a vacuum cleaner is milder in suction than a black hole but I wouldn't want to stick my prick in either of them. :p

I'd just love to see an election be about who the better man/woman is for the job as opposed to negativity. No binders full of women, no "Yeaaah!", like nothing stupid. Just talk about the issues.
I mean, that's going to be virtually impossible unless the Republican party nominates an actual adult for the next election. Whatever you may think of Joe Biden, I think most can agree that, at the very least, he's not lacking in decorum. Even if you disagree with his politics, he is competent and conducts himself professionally (at least in public).

As long as one party is nominating a clown, you're going to get a clown show. I'm not saying it would be significantly better with a regular candidate, because I think that politics has become team sports to the point where not enough people can think about it rationally, but it certainly wouldn't be worse.

But to quote the great Jimmy McNulty...



You want a good race focused on issues? Don't vote for an asshole who has no filter and no experience.
 

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I mean, that's going to be virtually impossible unless the Republican party nominates an actual adult for the next election. Whatever you may think of Joe Biden, I think most can agree that, at the very least, he's not lacking in decorum. Even if you disagree with his politics, he is competent and conducts himself professionally (at least in public).

As long as one party is nominating a clown, you're going to get a clown show. I'm not saying it would be significantly better with a regular candidate, because I think that politics has become team sports to the point where not enough people can think about it rationally, but it certainly wouldn't be worse.

But to quote the great Jimmy McNulty...



You want a good race focused on issues? Don't vote for an asshole who has no filter and no experience.
Ya, so if we keep insisting on mud throwing contests, we're all gonna pick mudslingers.

This isn't a Republican or a Democrat issue, it's a Republican AND Democrat issue, but you don't want to see that. Just keep slamming for the high-fives, baby!

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The Wire though, that's a good flick. Baltimore, MD. A show about lots of corruption in a Democrat ran city. Democratic leadership since 1967.
Probably not a good example, but we weren't trying to have a good faith chat there anymore anyways, were we?
 

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Ya, so if we keep insisting on mud throwing contests, we're all gonna pick mudslingers.

This isn't a Republican or a Democrat issue, it's a Republican AND Democrat issue, but you don't want to see that. Just keep slamming for the high-fives, baby!

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The Wire though, that's a good flick. Baltimore, MD. A show about lots of corruption in a Democrat ran city. Democratic leadership since 1967.
Probably not a good example, but we weren't trying to have a good faith chat there anymore anyways, were we?
I literally didn't vote for Hillary because I thought she was corrupt, so I don't think you're gaining any traction by accusing me of acting in bad faith here. I lean Democrat because I care about social issues, and also because the Republican party has been taken over by absolute lunatics the past decade or so, but I won't vote for a candidate I hate. Biden will probably be the closest I come to that, and I'm only going to be voting for him out of duty to my country to get Trump the fuck out of office. If the Republicans had a competent candidate in the Oval Office right now, like as not I'd just not vote for president like I did last election.

I totally agree that both parties are corrupt, and I think that most here would agree outside of a few of the shitposters. However, one party has nominated a career politician with a history of reaching across the aisle and acting competently, professionally, and reasonably.

The other party has nominated Donald Trump.

So let's not pretend this is a both sides issue. One party has put forward a legitimate candidate who has made a career of public service. The other has put forward a narcissistic child who has spent the past four years embarrassing our country. This isn't Obama/Romney.
 

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I mean, that's going to be virtually impossible unless the Republican party nominates an actual adult for the next election. Whatever you may think of Joe Biden, I think most can agree that, at the very least, he's not lacking in decorum. Even if you disagree with his politics, he is competent and conducts himself professionally (at least in public).

As long as one party is nominating a clown, you're going to get a clown show. I'm not saying it would be significantly better with a regular candidate, because I think that politics has become team sports to the point where not enough people can think about it rationally, but it certainly wouldn't be worse.

But to quote the great Jimmy McNulty...



You want a good race focused on issues? Don't vote for an asshole who has no filter and no experience.
As I said, 2008 and 2012 were relatively tame affairs.

Obama, McCain and Romney were all adults, and sane, rational people.

But, you are most correct. It is impossible to have a clean election, or even partially clean on the level of 2004, which was rough by normal standards, when one party nominates a jackass.


Ya, so if we keep insisting on mud throwing contests, we're all gonna pick mudslingers.

This isn't a Republican or a Democrat issue, it's a Republican AND Democrat issue, but you don't want to see that. Just keep slamming for the high-fives, baby!

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The Wire though, that's a good flick. Baltimore, MD. A show about lots of corruption in a Democrat ran city. Democratic leadership since 1967.
Probably not a good example, but we weren't trying to have a good faith chat there anymore anyways, were we?
It is theoretically a Republican and Democratic issue. But certainly not in 2016 and 2020 (and even in the past 40 years the GOP ran dirtier campaigns).

And I am not talking about supporters. They do whatever (although there is an argument to be made). I mean the actual campaigns.
 

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I literally didn't vote for Hillary because I thought she was corrupt, so I don't think you're gaining any traction by accusing me of acting in bad faith here. I lean Democrat because I care about social issues, and also because the Republican party has been taken over by absolute lunatics the past decade or so, but I won't vote for a candidate I hate. Biden will probably be the closest I come to that, and I'm only going to be voting for him out of duty to my country to get Trump the fuck out of office. If the Republicans had a competent candidate in the Oval Office right now, like as not I'd just not vote for president like I did last election.

I totally agree that both parties are corrupt, and I think that most here would agree outside of a few of the shitposters. However, one party has nominated a career politician with a history of reaching across the aisle and acting competently, professionally, and reasonably.

The other party has nominated Donald Trump.

So let's not pretend this is a both sides issue. One party has put forward a legitimate candidate who has made a career of public service. The other has put forward a narcissistic child who has spent the past four years embarrassing our country. This isn't Obama/Romney.
Why do you hate Biden?
 

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Why do you hate Biden?
I don't hate him (pending the outcome of any sexual assault allegations), but I also think he's just another corporate Democrat. He's like Obama. Looks the part, acts the part, gives the illusion of change...but ultimately he's just more of the same. More palatable than most, but he's not going to do anything other than be the same upgrade from Trump that basically anyone with a pulse and minor competence would be.
 

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I don't hate him (pending the outcome of any sexual assault allegations), but I also think he's just another corporate Democrat. He's like Obama. Looks the part, acts the part, gives the illusion of change...but ultimately he's just more of the same. More palatable than most, but he's not going to do anything other than be the same upgrade from Trump that basically anyone with a pulse and minor competence would be.
I can respect that.

But, it always wasn't really about Biden. It is about the person after Biden.

And if Biden wins, we should be thankful because all things being equal, he never wanted to run. It should be Beau running. I think Biden wanted to retire.
 

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I can respect that.

But, it always wasn't really about Biden. It is about the person after Biden.

And if Biden wins, we should be thankful because all things being equal, he never wanted to run. It should be Beau running. I think Biden wanted to retire.
Just to clarify, what I meant when I said that Biden would be the closest thing to voting for a candidate I hated, I just meant that he's a candidate I am very underwhelmed by. I'm voting for him because he's just more palatable than the terrible alternative more than because of anything Biden himself has done. I'm voting for him because we deserve to have an adult in the room, not because I'm gung-ho about his policies.

And keep in mind I've only been able to vote since the 2004 election, so I've only had a handful of presidential elections in my lifetime and half of them were Obama, who talked a good game but ultimately didn't do a whole lot.
 

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