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Sebastian

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Red X.

You trying to be bad? Stop it.
Dammit.

I will try to fix it.

It is video of the Army rolling in to MSP.
 

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I feel like we're talking about separate things here. I'm not denying that peaceful protestors are getting attacked out there. They are. I'm talking specifically about anyone looting or destroying a business. If they don't want to risk being hurt by the owner of the business, don't break into it.
I agree. I thought you were speaking more in favor of Trump's violent rhetoric, which seems to be lumping both of those individuals together, and shutting down protests in the name of stopping the bad actors.

As for the first video in your post, under the curfew order you must go inside if instructed to do so by law enforcement.
I threw out a ton of videos, but the first one was from DC well before curfew. The cop also starts beating the shit out of a journalist on the right hand side, unprovoked.

If you mean the Minnesota suburb ones where the cops start firing at people sitting on the front porch of their own property, then first, their actions are completely unacceptable.
"You can be on your porch, yard, patio, etc., but if a law enforcement officer or other public safety official asks you to go inside, or take any other action, you must follow the instruction."
And second, I don't agree with this. The curfew specifically mentions public property, and while sure, you should be following an order, the BIGGER problem (and the reason behind the fucking protests) is that order shouldn't be given to begin with. It's not helping anyone. It's demanding something for no reason, and then escalating the situation when the person doesn't comply. I'd also say it's perfectly reasonable for someone to feel like an order blasted over a megaphone at an entire neighborhood of "Go back in your homes" isn't directed at the people sitting on their porch, which is part of their home and simply just exposed to the open air.
They said some variety of "get inside" 10 times before shooting the canister. It definitely looks bad and they could've handled it better, but in that situation I'd just go inside instead of standing there filming.
See paragraph above. I think we're close on this--but that behavior is unacceptable, and it doesn't help anything. This is why people hate the police. This is why the protests are happening. They are using excessive force for no reason other than to stroke their own ego. If the law defends this action, the law needs changing.
 

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And second, I don't agree with this. The curfew specifically mentions public property, and while sure, you should be following an order, the BIGGER problem (and the reason behind the fucking protests) is that order shouldn't be given to begin with. It's not helping anyone. It's demanding something for no reason, and then escalating the situation when the person doesn't comply. I'd also say it's perfectly reasonable for someone to feel like an order blasted over a megaphone at an entire neighborhood of "Go back in your homes" isn't directed at the people sitting on their porch, which is part of their home and simply just exposed to the open air.
Every single cop that fired rounds at those people on their porch doing nothing should lose their job.
 

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I agree. I thought you were speaking more in favor of Trump's violent rhetoric, which seems to be lumping both of those individuals together, and shutting down protests in the name of stopping the bad actors.


I threw out a ton of videos, but the first one was from DC well before curfew. The cop also starts beating the shit out of a journalist on the right hand side, unprovoked.

If you mean the Minnesota suburb ones where the cops start firing at people sitting on the front porch of their own property, then first, their actions are completely unacceptable.


And second, I don't agree with this. The curfew specifically mentions public property, and while sure, you should be following an order, the BIGGER problem (and the reason behind the fucking protests) is that order shouldn't be given to begin with. It's not helping anyone. It's demanding something for no reason, and then escalating the situation when the person doesn't comply. I'd also say it's perfectly reasonable for someone to feel like an order blasted over a megaphone at an entire neighborhood of "Go back in your homes" isn't directed at the people sitting on their porch, which is part of their home and simply just exposed to the open air.

See paragraph above. I think we're close on this--but that behavior is unacceptable, and it doesn't help anything. This is why people hate the police. This is why the protests are happening. They are using excessive force for no reason other than to stroke their own ego. If the law defends this action, the law needs changing.
Sorry, yeah I meant the Minnesota suburb video. I don't like seeing stuff like that, humvees patrolling the streets, etc. I tend to distrust government, and some of the stuff I've seen over the past week reinforces that distrust. We need major reform in the future, but the immediate concern to me is stopping all the destruction going on. I just don't know how to do that. It's like people protest during the day and then the sun goes down they go home and the rioters show up.
 

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If anyone missed my earlier post:

The Army is more than capable of peacefully handling this mission.

Army receives 100s of hours of riot control training. And weapons training. Far more than LE agencies are able to do.

Unlike law enforcement they have the lethal power but are disciplined with a very responsive and accountable chain-of-command. Not a single Private is without guidance and immediate supervision at all times in situations like this.

The ROE for stateside operations should be far more rigorous than the already very deliberate ROE in war zones.
 

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When did this become shutting down the protests. It’s about stopping the riots and vandalism, stop trying to spin fake news.
Are you serious? Did you miss the tear gas shot into peaceful crowds so that Trump could do his fascist photo-op?
 

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I guess we will hear of someone being fired in the morning.

How many police are standing there watching?

Did they arrest the man they just watched assault someone by firing a weapon?

No peace until things change.

And the worst thing is, this is them on their BEST behavior. They know what's going on. They know eyes are on them. This is their maximum restraint--their best behavior. Look at the way they're being exposed.
 

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