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Why are you changing the scenario? If hundreds of people crammed into my house, yes, it would be a scary situation.

But that isn't what happened here.

Hundreds of people walked down the street. That isn't something that should affect people this way. The two were acting in a very unstable manner.

Did you see this video in the local news affiliate link?


Clearly, the gate was open and unharmed when these two drew guns on people walking by.

Not like the health of the gate matters.

Yes, you're right that I'm saying the value of protesting for social justice outweighs the technical illegality of trespassing on a street that isn't a public road. I believe laws exist so that we are able to enforce them to reduce harm and improve quality of life--not just to adhere strictly to them by the letter in any and all circumstances. Because the act of walking down a street creates no harm, I would have zero interest in seeing these people prosecuted. That goes for the act of public protest regardless of ideology.
We are just not going to agree, I can see myself fin their situation being terrified, when it starts going into the level of trespassing against uninvolved people, it has gone too far. You still have to be on the right side of morals, trespassing and taking away a private citizens rights is not justified, especially when the petition was already delivered.
 

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We are just not going to agree, I can see myself fin their situation being terrified, when it starts going into the level of trespassing against uninvolved people, it has gone too far. You still have to be on the right side of morals, trespassing and taking away a private citizens rights is not justified, especially when the petition was already delivered.
I think there's a valid question to having the "right" to disallow people to walk down a street.

But now we're getting into morality vs legality.

There's nothing inherently wrong with being scared. It's okay to be scared. The thing we can control is how we act in response to that. These two reacted poorly.

Just try to be kind. It doesn't cost anything to be not shitty.

I can see myself in the protesters' shoes as well. "We are going to the Mayor's house. Other roads are blocked off. We'll just cut through here"

There's no harm in that action.

If you want to prosecute all of them for trespassing, good luck. I doubt any DA would take that case.
 

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I think there's a valid question to having the "right" to disallow people to walk down a street.

But now we're getting into morality vs legality.

There's nothing inherently wrong with being scared. It's okay to be scared. The thing we can control is how we act in response to that. These two reacted poorly.

Just try to be kind. It doesn't cost anything to be not shitty.

I can see myself in the protesters' shoes as well. "We are going to the Mayor's house. Other roads are blocked off. We'll just cut through here"

There's no harm in that action.

If you want to prosecute all of them for trespassing, good luck. I doubt any DA would take that case.
I dont want to prosecute them, but they are investigating, they did break and enter and thus broke the law.

And they were private citizens, not trained officers, not doing anything but protecting their property and their kids. I am sure it was scary to them, and they have the rights to own guns to defend their homes, nothing illegal about that...the issue is you think its not justified but its hard to be in their shoes. as that many people protesting and "storming the castle" in what i am sure some were angry, i mean why protest and go to the Mayor's house if not angry.

We wont agree on this last issue, i think the protesters were dead wrong to break into private property, you think its justified. I think private citizens and private property deserve a higher level of respect, i will move on, i wanted to see what people thought, it will be interesting to see how it plays out, i dont think the victims in this case, they home owners want to prosecute either, they do believe in the cause....i just think in this case they deserve a break, it was a very scary situation, the private protection firm wouldnt respond out of fear, and the cops were not responding either.

Anarchy is not the answer to police brutality and i think that is what some are going for....i am on record, i am very much against anarchy.
 

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I dont want to prosecute them, but they are investigating, they did break and enter and thus broke the law.

And they were private citizens, not trained officers, not doing anything but protecting their property and their kids. I am sure it was scary to them, and they have the rights to own guns to defend their homes, nothing illegal about that...the issue is you think its not justified but its hard to be in their shoes. as that many people protesting and "storming the castle" in what i am sure some were angry, i mean why protest and go to the Mayor's house if not angry.

We wont agree on this last issue, i think the protesters were dead wrong to break into private property, you think its justified. I think private citizens and private property deserve a higher level of respect, i will move on, i wanted to see what people thought, it will be interesting to see how it plays out, i dont think the victims in this case, they home owners want to prosecute either, they do believe in the cause....i just think in this case they deserve a break, it was a very scary situation, the private protection firm wouldnt respond out of fear, and the cops were not responding either.

Anarchy is not the answer to police brutality and i think that is what some are going for....i am on record, i am very much against anarchy.
I don't care how scared they are.

Their response wasn't appropriate from any viewpoint.

You want a protest that's just walking past your house to turn into a shitshow? That's one easy way to do it. Scream like a banshee, throw a tantrum, and take people who are posing no harm and threaten their lives.

You want to protect your property? Then be smarter. You don't run out and start yelling like a lunatic while waving guns in the air and nobody even hears about this--nobody even turns to give your house a second look. The only possible outcomes here are either the protesters respond with more restraint than you're showing and we have status quo, or shit turns way worse, really quickly.

They're idiots for acting the way they did. I don't think their actions are defendable in any light. Even if you just want to talk about how to defend your property--it's like saying you don't want to get attacked by wasps so you walked over to a nest in a tree on the back corner of your property and you hit it with a stick.

They may be within their rights to do what they did, but everyone else is certainly within their rights to judge these people for their shitty behavior.

I don't get why you keep stretching this into hyperbole like "hundreds of people breaking into your house" or "anarchy." Neither situation is occurring here.
 

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I just don’t like people protesting homes. I didn’t like people going to Dr Acton’s house, and I don’t like hundreds of people going onto private property to protest.
This times a million. Odds are the person you are protesting against isn't even there, and you're just scaring their children and neighbors.
 

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I don't care how scared they are.

Their response wasn't appropriate from any viewpoint.

You want a protest that's just walking past your house to turn into a shitshow? That's one easy way to do it. Scream like a banshee, throw a tantrum, and take people who are posing no harm and threaten their lives.

You want to protect your property? Then be smarter. You don't run out and start yelling like a lunatic while waving guns in the air and nobody even hears about this--nobody even turns to give your house a second look. The only possible outcomes here are either the protesters respond with more restraint than you're showing and we have status quo, or shit turns way worse, really quickly.

They're idiots for acting the way they did. I don't think their actions are defendable in any light. Even if you just want to talk about how to defend your property--it's like saying you don't want to get attacked by wasps so you walked over to a nest in a tree on the back corner of your property and you hit it with a stick.

They may be within their rights to do what they did, but everyone else is certainly within their rights to judge these people for their shitty behavior.

I don't get why you keep stretching this into hyperbole like "hundreds of people breaking into your house" or "anarchy." Neither situation is occurring here.
They should have went all “Gran Torino” and just sat in a chair and used his hand like it was a gun and shot every one of those fuckers. Screaming “Get off my lawn”
 

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I saw a couple trashy people snooping around the abandoned house next door to me yesterday. Three times in broad daylight and they acted like it was no big deal. Rather than call the cops, I had a friendly conversation with douche canoe and his methhead girlfriend. I calmly explained that trespassing was not okay. They seemed very confused why I would be upset until I pointed out that I just sent a 7 and 3 yr old into the house so I could have this talk. Douchecanoe left a tooth as a present.

Guess who didn't have to waive a gun around like a moron that's never held one before?
 

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I saw a couple trashy people snooping around the abandoned house next door to me yesterday. Three times in broad daylight and they acted like it was no big deal. Rather than call the cops, I had a friendly conversation with douche canoe and his methhead girlfriend. I calmly explained that trespassing was not okay. They seemed very confused why I would be upset until I pointed out that I just sent a 7 and 3 yr old into the house so I could have this talk. Douchecanoe left a tooth as a present.

Guess who didn't have to waive a gun around like a moron that's never held one before?
Wait, you mean pointing your gun at protesters, then repeatedly hugging it sideways while the barrel is aimed at your wife ISN'T proper?

Whodathunk
 

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Wait, you mean pointing your gun at protesters, then repeatedly hugging it sideways while the barrel is aimed at your wife ISN'T proper?

Whodathunk
If you can't follow basic gun safety, you don't deserve to own a firearm. 2nd amendment or not.

As much as I hated my time in the military, there's a part of me that would love to see a mandatory 2 years of service like some other countries.
 

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I saw a couple trashy people snooping around the abandoned house next door to me yesterday. Three times in broad daylight and they acted like it was no big deal. Rather than call the cops, I had a friendly conversation with douche canoe and his methhead girlfriend. I calmly explained that trespassing was not okay. They seemed very confused why I would be upset until I pointed out that I just sent a 7 and 3 yr old into the house so I could have this talk. Douchecanoe left a tooth as a present.

Guess who didn't have to waive a gun around like a moron that's never held one before?
That's great when its a couple of people, this was 100's of people, completely different. The wife shouldn't have pointed the gun, but we don't really know what they were saying, we are just assuming they acted wrong, I am guessing it was much more heated than the protesters admitted.
 

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That's great when its a couple of people, this was 100's of people, completely different. The wife shouldn't have pointed the gun, but we don't really know what they were saying, we are just assuming they acted wrong, I am guessing it was much more heated than the protesters admitted.
I'm happy to defend their right to defend their property. I'm also happy to point out that people that can't practice proper gun safety shouldn't be allowed to own firearms. That situation was just waiting for Karen to get startled and shoot someone inadvertently.
 

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QUOTE="Man Called X, post: 3388308, member: 625"]
I'm happy to defend their right to defend their property. I'm also happy to point out that people that can't practice proper gun safety shouldn't be allowed to own firearms. That situation was just waiting for Karen to get startled and shoot someone inadvertently.
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I do agree the female pointing the gun was ridiculous, but them grabbing and having the gun was not stupid as their dinner was interrupted by 100's of people trespassing and angry
 
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I do agree the female pointing the gun was ridiculous, but them grabbing and having them was not stupid as their dinner was interrupted by 100's of people trespassing and angry
People were walking past their house.

They grabbed guns, aimed at the protesters, and started yelling.

Their behavior only put themselves into more danger. If their weapon goes off, they're fucked. If a protester reacts to the threat against their lives by attacking the couple? They're also fucked. There just isn't a scenario where their escalation creates a positive outcome for them.

It quite dumb of them.
 

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