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I know you dont want to eliminate the police, but there are some that do...its not prominent, but the way some of the movement talks, its not very conducive to improving police, just eliminate the police.

But no, not on here, and not many. The one thing that absolutely needs eliminated is the big blue wall. If a fellow police officer is beating and assaulting someone, you cannot protect them, but need to turn them in and do the right thing. I really think the biggest issue is the code of silence,
I mean, what are you referring to?

I'm all behind "Defund the police" but defund doesn't mean completely eliminate without a plan.

If you're honestly referring to people who want the world to not have anyone who is capable of arresting an individual for committing a crime, then I think you're better off concerning yourself with people who exist in larger numbers, like flat earthers, or the number of people currently ahead of you in line, or actors who have played Barney the Dinosaur. Like, you can pick any extremist view and say there are SOME people out there in favor of it, but that doesn't mean they matter.

I agree that the people who are supposed to be upholding the law need to start doing it, instead of being the violent force of oppression we currently see all too often.
 

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I mean, what are you referring to?

I'm all behind "Defund the police" but defund doesn't mean completely eliminate without a plan.

If you're honestly referring to people who want the world to not have anyone who is capable of arresting an individual for committing a crime, then I think you're better off concerning yourself with people who exist in larger numbers, like flat earthers, or the number of people currently ahead of you in line, or actors who have played Barney the Dinosaur. Like, you can pick any extremist view and say there are SOME people out there in favor of it, but that doesn't mean they matter.

I agree that the people who are supposed to be upholding the law need to start doing it, instead of being the violent force of oppression we currently see all too often.
I hate the term defund the police, I get it, it doesn't need explained, but it sound awful. Reallocate some funds eventually yes, but I have looked at police budgets, they are packed, we need retraining, re-organizing, -eliminating some police duties that aren't their responsibility (like animal control crap), maybe stop most traffic stops, put up more camera's, etc.

But none of that can be done right away, it will be a slow laboring process, but it does need done.
 

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I hate the term defund the police, I get it, it doesn't need explained, but it sound awful. Reallocate some funds eventually yes, but I have looked at police budgets, they are packed, we need retraining, re-organizing, -eliminating some police duties that aren't their responsibility (like animal control crap), maybe stop most traffic stops, put up more camera's, etc.

But none of that can be done right away, it will be a slow laboring process, but it does need done.
I'd prefer to rip off the band-aid.

Small steps aren't going to get the pieces of shit to change their behavior. They're going to breathe a sigh of relief that they got away with it. They're going to have a rally cry that the people came for them, and thanks to how they all stuck together as brothers, they prevailed!

I'm all for reduced duties--actually funding programs that help people, improve communities, and grow our economy rather than excessive amounts of money that go towards oppressing people. But, I think that just changing the responsibilities of the police isn't good enough. We have a problem both with the culture of policing in this country, and the people who do the policing in this country, that needs to be addressed--and not just paid lip service to.
 

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I mean, what are you referring to?

I'm all behind "Defund the police" but defund doesn't mean completely eliminate without a plan.

If you're honestly referring to people who want the world to not have anyone who is capable of arresting an individual for committing a crime, then I think you're better off concerning yourself with people who exist in larger numbers, like flat earthers, or the number of people currently ahead of you in line, or actors who have played Barney the Dinosaur. Like, you can pick any extremist view and say there are SOME people out there in favor of it, but that doesn't mean they matter.

I agree that the people who are supposed to be upholding the law need to start doing it, instead of being the violent force of oppression we currently see all too often.
One solution would be a law stating that any cop who watches a fellow officer break the law and doesn't either report it or stop the officer in the act can be tried for the crime the other officer committed as an accomplice. Then we'll see how many officers are willing to hang themselves out to dry to protect the dirty ones. I suspect many still would, but it certainly wouldn't hurt.

At any rate, any officer who can't be trusted to turn in a fellow officer for breaking the law clearly shouldn't be wearing a badge in the first place and is a part of the problem.
 

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One solution would be a law stating that any cop who watches a fellow officer break the law and doesn't either report it or stop the officer in the act can be tried for the crime the other officer committed as an accomplice. Then we'll see how many officers are willing to hang themselves out to dry to protect the dirty ones. I suspect many still would, but it certainly wouldn't hurt.

At any rate, any officer who can't be trusted to turn in a fellow officer for breaking the law clearly shouldn't be wearing a badge in the first place and is a part of the problem.
I feel like we discussed police reform already, but there needs to be...

A body for external reviews. No more internal investigations.

Eliminate qualified immunity.

Financial penalties from lawsuits should not come directly from tax payer money. Take it out of their budget (without increasing the budget to compensate) or their bonuses/pension.
 

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Only news story Im interested in currently is the Ghislane Maxwell trial.

So far we have witness statements that Billy Boy was, in fact, on the island despite claiming he wasnt.

We have major criminal allegations lodged at Alan Dershowitz.

The FBI reportedly looked the other way multiple times.

And its early days.
 

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Only news story Im interested in currently is the Ghislane Maxwell trial.

So far we have witness statements that Billy Boy was, in fact, on the island despite claiming he wasnt.

We have major criminal allegations lodged at Alan Dershowitz.

The FBI reportedly looked the other way multiple times.

And its early days.
I do not care at all about party affiliation....ANY who were involved in exploiting/trafficking children should be held to account.
 

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Trump and Barr's attempt at getting LTG Flynn off the hook has failed.

The highly irregular circumstances surrounding the attempt to drop a case based off of highly questionable reasoning led to many raised eye-brows, as did the sudden personnel changes made to the prosecution team at the behest of the POTUS.

So this one may go back to be re-sentenced.


Appeals Court Will Rehear Case About Michael Flynn Prosecution
D.C. Circuit agrees to judge's request for en banc hearing of dispute about DOJ's move to abandon false-statement case.

The full bench of a federal appeals court in Washington has agreed to consider whether a lower-court judge should be forced to dismiss a felony charge against Michael Flynn, the former national security adviser to Donald Trump.

The announcement Thursday from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit is a setback for Flynn, who scored an unexpected victory on the issue last month, when a smaller panel of that court voted, 2-1, to order U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan to grant the government’s motion to drop the prosecution.

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The appeals court said it will sit en banc to hear arguments in the case on Aug. 11.

Flynn pleaded guilty in 2017 to a felony charge of lying to FBI agents investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election. The former Defense Intelligence Agency chief reaffirmed his guilt in 2018, but has since sought to rescind his plea — an effort that eventually won the backing of the Justice Department, which moved earlier this year to abandon the case, citing alleged FBI misconduct.
But DOJ’s decision sparked an outpouring of complaints that Attorney General William Barr was seeking to undermine the prosecution of a close Trump ally, and Sullivan rejected efforts to immediately dispose of the matter, instead appointing an outside adviser to determine whether the court has leeway to consider alternatives. Sullivan had scheduled a hearing on the matter for earlier this month but postponed it after the split three-judge appeals court panel ruled that he had overstepped his authority.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/30/appeals-court-michael-flynn-388384
 

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“If the Oklahoma City Thunder leadership and players follow the current trend of the NBA by kneeling during the national anthem prior to Saturday’s game, perhaps we need to reexamine the significant tax benefits the State of Oklahoma granted the Oklahoma City Thunder organization when they came to Oklahoma,” Roberts wrote in a statement.

“By kneeling during the playing of the national anthem, the NBA and its players are showing disrespect to the American flag and all it stands for,” Roberts wrote. “This anti-patriotic act makes clear the NBA’s support of the Black Lives Matter group and its goal of defunding our nation’s police, its ties to Marxism and its efforts to destroy nuclear families.”

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Good luck with that one, guy! Also, good luck ever fielding a competitive team in Oklahoma if he follows through.
 

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“If the Oklahoma City Thunder leadership and players follow the current trend of the NBA by kneeling during the national anthem prior to Saturday’s game, perhaps we need to reexamine the significant tax benefits the State of Oklahoma granted the Oklahoma City Thunder organization when they came to Oklahoma,” Roberts wrote in a statement.

“By kneeling during the playing of the national anthem, the NBA and its players are showing disrespect to the American flag and all it stands for,” Roberts wrote. “This anti-patriotic act makes clear the NBA’s support of the Black Lives Matter group and its goal of defunding our nation’s police, its ties to Marxism and its efforts to destroy nuclear families.”

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Good luck with that one, guy! Also, good luck ever fielding a competitive team in Oklahoma if he follows through.

I hear there is a team up in Seattle that is in need of replacing...
 

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“If the Oklahoma City Thunder leadership and players follow the current trend of the NBA by kneeling during the national anthem prior to Saturday’s game, perhaps we need to reexamine the significant tax benefits the State of Oklahoma granted the Oklahoma City Thunder organization when they came to Oklahoma,” Roberts wrote in a statement.

“By kneeling during the playing of the national anthem, the NBA and its players are showing disrespect to the American flag and all it stands for,” Roberts wrote. “This anti-patriotic act makes clear the NBA’s support of the Black Lives Matter group and its goal of defunding our nation’s police, its ties to Marxism and its efforts to destroy nuclear families.”

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Good luck with that one, guy! Also, good luck ever fielding a competitive team in Oklahoma if he follows through.

Ok, so obviously the NBA supports the BLM, just look at the court. And sure there is a large portion of the movement that wants to "defund the police"....but what ties to Marxism, and what is really fucking terrible in the statement, how does the better treatment of blacks by our country's police destroy nuclear families. That statement alone is like bringing back up -desegregation arguments that we should have been past 50+ years ago. That statement is so racist and i honestly believe he has no clue how racist that is. This is what is really scary to me on some of the stance of the far right. They have really no clue how racist they are being.

Sad, you dont have to agree with the movement, but to say a civil liberties movement destroy's nuclear families makes it obvious how big of a piece of shit racist you really are. (not at all you NtG, just want to be clear, lol)
 

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Ok, so obviously the NBA supports the BLM, just look at the court. And sure there is a large portion of the movement that wants to "defund the police"....but what ties to Marxism, and what is really fucking terrible in the statement, how does the better treatment of blacks by our country's police destroy nuclear families. That statement alone is like bringing back up -desegregation arguments that we should have been past 50+ years ago. That statement is so racist and i honestly believe he has no clue how racist that is. This is what is really scary to me on some of the stance of the far right. They have really no clue how racist they are being.

Sad, you dont have to agree with the movement, but to say a civil liberties movement destroy's nuclear families makes it obvious how big of a piece of shit racist you really are. (not at all you NtG, just want to be clear, lol)
GOP rhetoric is nothing more than a collection of dog whistle phrases. Basically they string them all together to generate outrage from the Trump base.

Politicians from the GOP only have interest in exciting their base, not actually doing the work of a politician - legislating or governing - for the most part they are incompetent or tools. They’re too stupid to know what the implications of the words are anyway. They just know it gets their base excited.
 

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