Iverson?

[CBBI]

A) Hes like Gibson.. Shooting guard trapped into a point guards body. But who says he can't go back to SG if we got him? What will we do with West and Gibson? Iverson would play shooting guard.

B) Oh please, take this miles crap somewhere else. He is playing at a very high level, even at his age and the so called 'miles'. So you can think hes running low on gas, his stats show otherwise.

C) Hes opting out and going to get paid a ton less.. If you didn't know already.

D) He doesn't play defense? Thats why hes up there in SPG every year. Plus with our defensive system he can learn a thing or two.

E) Hes not going to be up there in field goal percentage, never was and never will be. Iverson will still be a scoring threat, especially with LeBron James on our team. He can easily take the load off James. The problem in Denver was they don't play defense.. We do.

F) Who was his best player? Melo? And look at the teams hes had to play with. Denver plays no defense whatsoever, so add defense to their game and they are a title championship team. Thats basically what we get with Iverson. The scorer we are looking for, a guy who can take the presser off James. Plus with Z and the shooters we have.. It opens up so much more.

None of those points don't change my mine whatsoever... And thats if we could get Allen Iverson, we should.

Without reading your post, I'm just gonna say....

Nope.

 

[CavsRules]

Without reading your post, I'm just gonna say....

Nope.

Just because you somehow don't like Iverson.. Good for you, guess you don't want one of the best players in the game to be matched up with the best player in the game.

Fact is.. We wont be getting Iverson. He'll stay in Denver, sadly, and end his career without a championship.

 

[CBBI]

Just because you somehow don't like Iverson.. Good for you, guess you don't want one of the best players in the game to be matched up with the best player in the game.

Fact is.. We wont be getting Iverson. He'll stay in Denver, sadly, and end his career without a championship.

You clearly don't understand what it takes to win basketball games.

That makes sense though. You were the biggest Larry Hughes fan on this board.

 

[CavsRules]

You clearly don't understand what it takes to win basketball games.

That makes sense though. You were the biggest Larry Hughes fan on this board.

You just say Iverson isn't a winner because he doesn't have a title. Larry Hughes has NOTHING to do with Allen Iverson, but of course.. I get bitched at because I talk about Larry, when you all bring his name up often. Its hella annoying, people need to move on and grow up already.

Iverson's style is win first, Larry's wasn't.. So whats you're point here, CBBI? I'm missing it, 'clearly'...

 

[PIP]

Just because Iverson plays hard, it doesn't necessarily mean he plays a winning brand of basketball..

Dribbling the ball for 15+ seconds to try and get a ft line extended jumper is not really promoting good basketball..

Iverson plays with heart and passion, but his game is not really the game of a winner as it doesn't mesh with others and is a game that is best suited for putting up numbers on a bad team...

I think the only way Iverson's game could be utilized in a winning way is if he played with a dominant big as opposed to a dominant wing...

 

[Benny08302]

A) Hes like Gibson.. Shooting guard trapped into a point guards body. But who says he can't go back to SG if we got him? What will we do with West and Gibson? Iverson would play shooting guard.

B) Oh please, take this miles crap somewhere else. He is playing at a very high level, even at his age and the so called 'miles'. So you can think hes running low on gas, his stats show otherwise.

C) Hes opting out and going to get paid a ton less.. If you didn't know already.

D) He doesn't play defense? Thats why hes up there in SPG every year. Plus with our defensive system he can learn a thing or two.

E) Hes not going to be up there in field goal percentage, never was and never will be. Iverson will still be a scoring threat, especially with LeBron James on our team. He can easily take the load off James. The problem in Denver was they don't play defense.. We do.

F) Who was his best player? Melo? And look at the teams hes had to play with. Denver plays no defense whatsoever, so add defense to their game and they are a title championship team. Thats basically what we get with Iverson. The scorer we are looking for, a guy who can take the presser off James. Plus with Z and the shooters we have.. It opens up so much more.

None of those points don't change my mine whatsoever... And thats if we could get Allen Iverson, we should.

a) when has Iverson played off the ball? when has James? Both need to dominate the ball to be effective. I'm OK with James playing off the ball if the Cavs get a pass first PG...

b) so age (he turns 33 in June) shouldn't be a factor? the fact that Iverson has played 40+ min a game for the past decade doesn't matter to you?

c) Do you have a link for this? I can't believe he's opting out and leaving $20 on the table. He has an early termination... why he would do it is beyond me.

d) he's the point guard on a Nuggets team that is notorious for not playing D. Steals are either all or nothin'. If you go for the ball and miss (ala Larry Hughes) you hurt your team. He's not a good on-ball defender (he isn't awful either)

e) he needs a lot of shots to be effective, end of story. this isn't a point in his favor. If we're taking the ball out of LeBron's hands, I want it to be for a good reason. Iverson dribbling for 15 seconds and jacking up a contested 18 footer is not a good reason.

f) All Denver does is play one-on-one basketball. AI is a HUGE part of that. They don't play a lick of defense. AI is a HUGE part of that. He could lead the defensive charge, no? I mean, he's been to the Finals, he has an MVP, you'd think they'd listen to him... right?

Look, Allen Iverson has all the talent in the world. But at the end of the day, he's a shoot first PG, who doesn't play defense and he's getting up there in age. I'm actually shocked he hasn't broke down yet... I'd rather it not be happen on our watch...

Can he score? With the best of 'em. But he needs to dominate the ball to accomplish that. And if anyone on the Cavaliers will be dominating the ball, it will be one LeBron James.

Pass.

 

[ctownhommie]

There seems to be a lot of anger and dissappointment on various NBA boards right now. I hope danny ferry is listening and patient...I believe he will be able to get the deal he wants this off-season.

BTW...AI would be a STUD on the Cavs!

 

[CavsRules]

Just because Iverson plays hard, it doesn't necessarily mean he plays a winning brand of basketball..

Dribbling the ball for 15+ seconds to try and get a ft line extended jumper is not really promoting good basketball..

Iverson plays with heart and passion, but his game is not really the game of a winner as it doesn't mesh with others and is a game that is best suited for putting up numbers on a bad team...

I think the only way Iverson's game could be utilized in a winning way is if he played with a dominant big as opposed to a dominant wing...

So we blame him for creating offense? As a point guard.. Isn't that you're job? Yes, you create for others.. But you also do it for yourself.

a) when has Iverson played off the ball? when has James? Both need to dominate the ball to be effective. I'm OK with James playing off the ball if the Cavs get a pass first PG...

b) so age (he turns 33 in June) shouldn't be a factor? the fact that Iverson has played 40+ min a game for the past decade doesn't matter to you?

c) Do you have a link for this? I can't believe he's opting out and leaving $20 on the table. He has an early termination... why he would do it is beyond me.

d) he's the point guard on a Nuggets team that is notorious for not playing D. Steals are either all or nothin'. If you go for the ball and miss (ala Larry Hughes) you hurt your team. He's not a good on-ball defender (he isn't awful either)

e) he needs a lot of shots to be effective, end of story. this isn't a point in his favor. If we're taking the ball out of LeBron's hands, I want it to be for a good reason. Iverson dribbling for 15 seconds and jacking up a contested 18 footer is not a good reason.

f) All Denver does is play one-on-one basketball. AI is a HUGE part of that. They don't play a lick of defense. AI is a HUGE part of that. He could lead the defensive charge, no? I mean, he's been to the Finals, he has an MVP, you'd think they'd listen to him... right?

Look, Allen Iverson has all the talent in the world. But at the end of the day, he's a shoot first PG, who doesn't play defense and he's getting up there in age. I'm actually shocked he hasn't broke down yet... I'd rather it not be happen on our watch...

Can he score? With the best of 'em. But he needs to dominate the ball to accomplish that. And if anyone on the Cavaliers will be dominating the ball, it will be one LeBron James.

Pass.

A) Though that maybe true, I believe Iverson's assist numbers have been sky rocketed since he joined Denver. Now that was with Melo, picture that with the leagues best scorer in the game in LeBron James. Iverson isn't Chris Paul, Steve Nash, or Jason Kidd(Like James wanted). But Iverson can create for himself and others. Something a lot of players struggle to do.

B) OK, who says we gotta sign Iverson to a 5-6 year deal here?? Whats wrong with a 3 year deal? Iverson hasn't lost a step, hes still always tearing it up every time I watch him play and hes always playing big minutes. If he hasn't lost any steps... I don't see you're point. Its not like we'd sign him forever.

C) I could find one somewhere. But hes reportedly going to opt out of his 20 million dollar contract(Which is only 1-year) so he can give the team he plays for(Likely Denver) more cap room to make some big moves this summer in improving. He was quoted saying he'd like to get the contract thing done as soon possible, actually. Hes doing the same thing Tim Duncan did last year, which is take a paycut(Something I believe Z has been mentioned that he could do)

D) OK, When did Larry Hughes go for the ball and miss? I know hes done it before, but he rarely went into the passing lane compared to his 05 season with Washington. Iverson is small and quick, and he gets his steals into the passing lane. With the size we have already here, thats what we need IMO. Even if Iverson doesn't get the steal.. We have the size to makeup for his mistake.

E) He does take a lot of shots.. But every all star takes a lot of shots to be effective. Now Iverson does take more than expected... But he gets into the lane more than expected. He creates the offense for himself and others, like I said before. If we couldn't land a Micheal Redd this off season(Because hes a shooter, pure, which is what we need) Iverson would obviously be a solid fit with us. You can't sit there and tell me that he wouldn't be because his freaking field goal percentage isn't perfect.

F) What talented defensive players does Denver have outside of Camby? K-mart just doesn't do it for me.. Not anymore. Melo isn't a good defensive player, and who else is left? Just shooters, really. They don't have any defensive skilled players, NOR a DEFENSIVE COACH, like WE DO here. If Iverson came here with a Ben Wallace.. Big Z, LeBron James, and a Mike Brown.. Defensively everything improves. Thats something that has been known since Mike Brown joined here. Everyone has improved defensively with Brown as the head coach.

Age isn't a factor.. And it doesn't surprise me that he hasn't broke down yet. He is in great shape and doesn't show ANY signs of slowing down. Sure it could happen soon.. Even with us. But it's not like we are signing him long-term. We'd sign him to a 2-3 year deal contract. Which I'm sure he'd agree to, because it gives him enough time to come here and learn what needs to be done to win a championship.

 

[PIP]

So we blame him for creating offense? As a point guard.. Isn't that you're job? Yes, you create for others.. But you also do it for yourself.

AI has been 1 or 2 in FGA's for about 8 or 9 seasons, and has been top 5 for his entire career..

Trust me, that man is not dribbling the ball around to probe the defense to get looks for others..

 

[CavsRules]

AI has been 1 or 2 in FGA's for about 8 or 9 seasons, and has been top 5 for his entire career..

Trust me, that man is not dribbling the ball around to probe the defense to get looks for others..

But with him coming here.. He wont be the point guard. He CAN create for others, but you is best fit for the shooting guard role.

 

[Benny08302]

So we blame him for creating offense? As a point guard.. Isn't that you're job? Yes, you create for others.. But you also do it for yourself.

A) Though that maybe true, I believe Iverson's assist numbers have been sky rocketed since he joined Denver. Now that was with Melo, picture that with the leagues best scorer in the game in LeBron James. Iverson isn't Chris Paul, Steve Nash, or Jason Kidd(Like James wanted). But Iverson can create for himself and others. Something a lot of players struggle to do.

B) OK, who says we gotta sign Iverson to a 5-6 year deal here?? Whats wrong with a 3 year deal? Iverson hasn't lost a step, hes still always tearing it up every time I watch him play and hes always playing big minutes. If he hasn't lost any steps... I don't see you're point. Its not like we'd sign him forever.

C) I could find one somewhere. But hes reportedly going to opt out of his 20 million dollar contract(Which is only 1-year) so he can give the team he plays for(Likely Denver) more cap room to make some big moves this summer in improving. He was quoted saying he'd like to get the contract thing done as soon possible, actually. Hes doing the same thing Tim Duncan did last year, which is take a paycut(Something I believe Z has been mentioned that he could do)

D) OK, When did Larry Hughes go for the ball and miss? I know hes done it before, but he rarely went into the passing lane compared to his 05 season with Washington. Iverson is small and quick, and he gets his steals into the passing lane. With the size we have already here, thats what we need IMO. Even if Iverson doesn't get the steal.. We have the size to makeup for his mistake.

E) He does take a lot of shots.. But every all star takes a lot of shots to be effective. Now Iverson does take more than expected... But he gets into the lane more than expected. He creates the offense for himself and others, like I said before. If we couldn't land a Micheal Redd this off season(Because hes a shooter, pure, which is what we need) Iverson would obviously be a solid fit with us. You can't sit there and tell me that he wouldn't be because his freaking field goal percentage isn't perfect.

F) What talented defensive players does Denver have outside of Camby? K-mart just doesn't do it for me.. Not anymore. Melo isn't a good defensive player, and who else is left? Just shooters, really. They don't have any defensive skilled players, NOR a DEFENSIVE COACH, like WE DO here. If Iverson came here with a Ben Wallace.. Big Z, LeBron James, and a Mike Brown.. Defensively everything improves. Thats something that has been known since Mike Brown joined here. Everyone has improved defensively with Brown as the head coach.

Age isn't a factor.. And it doesn't surprise me that he hasn't broke down yet. He is in great shape and doesn't show ANY signs of slowing down. Sure it could happen soon.. Even with us. But it's not like we are signing him long-term. We'd sign him to a 2-3 year deal contract. Which I'm sure he'd agree to, because it gives him enough time to come here and learn what needs to be done to win a championship.

A) You believe wrong. Not only has his assists not skyrocketed, they've actually gone down (insignificantly, but still) From NBA.com:

04-05 - 7.9 Assists/game (Philly)
05-06 - 7.4 Assists/game (Philly)
06-07 - 7.3 Assists/game (Philly)
06-07 - 7.2 Assists/game (Denver)
07-08 - 7.1 Assists/game (Denver)

B) Look, if I'm Danny Ferry, I'd take a look at Iverson, but he'd be way down on my list. You said yourself that'd the Cavs would only sign him for 2-3 years, so he's A) not a long term solution B) he won't help in re-signing one LeBron James.

C) no offense, but I simply don't believe that. show me some proof that a 33 year old PG is going to opt out of a 1-year, $20 million deal when he won't sniff anything close to that on the open market. Tim Duncan taking a pay cut to help a championship team makes sense. AI taking a paycut to help a team that hasn't made to the 2nd round does not.

D) Steals don't necessarily correlate to good defense. The Cavs need a PG who can stay in front of the Tony Parkers of the world. Getting steals is nice, but there's more to defense.

E) Iverson would improve the team in certain aspects, but he is no way a good fit. Both guys need to dominate the ball, how is that a good fit?

F) But you just said steals = good defense. Look, I'm not saying AI is to blame for Denver's swiss cheese defense, but he gets to take some of the blame, no?

How can age not be a factor? He's 33, he's taken a pounding his entire career (remember those pics from Philly, showing all of his injuries?) and he's played 40+ mpg for more than a decade. How can this not factor in? Especially when he plays a style of basketball that disrupts the entire flow of the offense?

 

[CleveRocks]

I agree with the Nope.

Look AI is a phenom, he is skilled and can score like nobody's business, but he is not able to win the big games and he is not a character guy "I mean practice?"

Nope.

 

[CBBI]

So we blame him for creating offense? As a point guard.. Isn't that you're job? Yes, you create for others.. But you also do it for yourself.



A) Though that maybe true, I believe Iverson's assist numbers have been sky rocketed since he joined Denver. Now that was with Melo, picture that with the leagues best scorer in the game in LeBron James. Iverson isn't Chris Paul, Steve Nash, or Jason Kidd(Like James wanted). But Iverson can create for himself and others. Something a lot of players struggle to do.

B) OK, who says we gotta sign Iverson to a 5-6 year deal here?? Whats wrong with a 3 year deal? Iverson hasn't lost a step, hes still always tearing it up every time I watch him play and hes always playing big minutes. If he hasn't lost any steps... I don't see you're point. Its not like we'd sign him forever.

C) I could find one somewhere. But hes reportedly going to opt out of his 20 million dollar contract(Which is only 1-year) so he can give the team he plays for(Likely Denver) more cap room to make some big moves this summer in improving. He was quoted saying he'd like to get the contract thing done as soon possible, actually. Hes doing the same thing Tim Duncan did last year, which is take a paycut(Something I believe Z has been mentioned that he could do)

D) OK, When did Larry Hughes go for the ball and miss? I know hes done it before, but he rarely went into the passing lane compared to his 05 season with Washington. Iverson is small and quick, and he gets his steals into the passing lane. With the size we have already here, thats what we need IMO. Even if Iverson doesn't get the steal.. We have the size to makeup for his mistake.

E) He does take a lot of shots.. But every all star takes a lot of shots to be effective. Now Iverson does take more than expected... But he gets into the lane more than expected. He creates the offense for himself and others, like I said before. If we couldn't land a Micheal Redd this off season(Because hes a shooter, pure, which is what we need) Iverson would obviously be a solid fit with us. You can't sit there and tell me that he wouldn't be because his freaking field goal percentage isn't perfect.

F) What talented defensive players does Denver have outside of Camby? K-mart just doesn't do it for me.. Not anymore. Melo isn't a good defensive player, and who else is left? Just shooters, really. They don't have any defensive skilled players, NOR a DEFENSIVE COACH, like WE DO here. If Iverson came here with a Ben Wallace.. Big Z, LeBron James, and a Mike Brown.. Defensively everything improves. Thats something that has been known since Mike Brown joined here. Everyone has improved defensively with Brown as the head coach.

Age isn't a factor.. And it doesn't surprise me that he hasn't broke down yet. He is in great shape and doesn't show ANY signs of slowing down. Sure it could happen soon.. Even with us. But it's not like we are signing him long-term. We'd sign him to a 2-3 year deal contract. Which I'm sure he'd agree to, because it gives him enough time to come here and learn what needs to be done to win a championship.

You forgot E) bro....

E) You are an idiot.

 

[FlightNo.23]

I watched nearly every game of Lakers - Nuggets series and from what I gathered:

1. Iverson just doesn't play good defense. He takes gambles on some passes with some success and can create turnovers and steals, but his man to man defense is terrible. I'm not sure if its Denver's system or what, but freakin' Jordan Farmar was taking it to the hoop and scoring on AI. And we're talking about having Iverson at SG? Who's he gonna guard...is our PG gonna take on the opposing SG? It's going to be a mismatch every time at one position.
2. Iverson just did not play well with Carmelo. Either Iverson dominated the ball for the possession or they threw it into Carmelo in the low block or out in the perimeter. And Melo would do a jab step and put up a shot. There was absolutely no chemistry between the two.
3. He's really not a very good passer. He dominated the ball, dribbled around and couldn't get his teammates easy/open shots. I can't recall one time where he found one of Denver's bigs for an easy/uncontested dunk. There were a handful of times where he drove in and took a difficult/contested shot instead of hitting the open man.
4. Age is a factor - He definitely has lost a step. You know how quick/fast Iverson used to be? Watch Chris Paul play. He's a young Iverson with natural PG abilities.

 

[King James MVP]

I guess we could see LeBron and AI taking turns dribbling around for 20 seconds and jacking up a contested fadeaway. Whoever is shooting the best percentage at the end of the game gets to take the last shot.