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Where will J.J. Watt play in 2021?

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  • Titans

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Los216 said:
How would a Russell Wilson trade change the cap for Dolphins and Raiders?

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For shits and giggles, Seattle would be stupid if Miami would give up 3+ and they’d send him anywhere else.

If you’re trading away the franchise, you have to get the next potential face back.
 
Los216 said:
How would a Russell Wilson trade change the cap for Dolphins and Raiders?

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tl;dr would take multiple moving parts. Miami could get it down, LV is more dubiois.

If Wilson is traded now, his cap number for his new team is only 19mil.

Miami could easily absorb that (28mil in cap space), then create enough cap room for Watt by simply cutting Emmanuel Ogbah.

LV is is 6 over the cap, but can save almost 30mil by cutting or trading Carr and Mariota (which they would obviously do if they had Russ). They'd then have some work to do to clear more room for Watt, which may be difficult (unless they do some stuff with their Oline, which may be possible, but Gruden loves a good oline).

A few problems:

Seattle would have to eat 39 mil to trade Russ right now. His cap number is 32, so they are looking at losing 7mil of their 11m available cap space in a trade. I'd have to think they'd somehow convert some of his signing bonus to a roster bonus or base salary to facilitate a trade so Seattle doesn't take such a cap hit. Than means Miami and LV would have to clear more space for this year for Watt. Miami probably still could, but LV could be trickier.

The other big problem for Miami is Tua. His cap number is 6.8 right now. Trading him would result in 15mil dead cap, so their 28mil goes down to 20mil. So Russ, by himself, probably then absorbs all of their cap space, if not more of it. Miami could try and keep Tua for a year (keeping cap space this year unchanged) then trade him next year (when his dead cap number is only 1.5mil bigger than his original cap number was gonna be), but that is a different set of headaches.
 
I don’t believe for a second he got offered that much. Sounds like an agent trying to drive up the price.
 
col63onel said:
tl;dr would take multiple moving parts. Miami could get it down, LV is more dubiois.

If Wilson is traded now, his cap number for his new team is only 19mil.

Miami could easily absorb that (28mil in cap space), then create enough cap room for Watt by simply cutting Emmanuel Ogbah.

LV is is 6 over the cap, but can save almost 30mil by cutting or trading Carr and Mariota (which they would obviously do if they had Russ). They'd then have some work to do to clear more room for Watt, which may be difficult (unless they do some stuff with their Oline, which may be possible, but Gruden loves a good oline).

A few problems:

Seattle would have to eat 39 mil to trade Russ right now. His cap number is 32, so they are looking at losing 7mil of their 11m available cap space in a trade. I'd have to think they'd somehow convert some of his signing bonus to a roster bonus or base salary to facilitate a trade so Seattle doesn't take such a cap hit. Than means Miami and LV would have to clear more space for this year for Watt. Miami probably still could, but LV could be trickier.

The other big problem for Miami is Tua. His cap number is 6.8 right now. Trading him would result in 15mil dead cap, so their 28mil goes down to 20mil. So Russ, by himself, probably then absorbs all of their cap space, if not more of it. Miami could try and keep Tua for a year (keeping cap space this year unchanged) then trade him next year (when his dead cap number is only 1.5mil bigger than his original cap number was gonna be), but that is a different set of headaches.
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If seattle is trading wilson to miami you don't think the seahawks want Tua back?
 
bob2the2nd said:
If seattle is trading wilson to miami you don't think the seahawks want Tua back?
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Well, that triggers the dead cap hit for Miami, so that might take Miami out of the Watt sweepstakes.

But maybe.
 
AZ_ said:
Would rather have the picks.
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I am not a fan of Tua, but I could see Pete Carroll liking him.

that said if seahawks are going to hit a total reset button, i agree picks maybe better.
 
bob2the2nd said:
curious how long these are, because the 15-16 seems a pinch low compared to previous contracts signed even last year. Based on other contracts I was expecting in the 17 milion range. Obviously COVID is a determining factor. Im goign to guess 3 years 48 million, with 30 guaranteed is what he goes for
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If he's looking to beat $16M, I'd rather we passed. With his age and injuries he's probably 75% of prime J.J. Watt, which to me is worth $12M or so, and I'd be okay bidding up to $15M if necessary but that would be my absolute max to still feel good about the signing.
 
Can confirm his Peloton bio does in fact say this...

BIG, if true.
 
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