Jarrett Allen: Nice Head of Hair

[Boobie4Three]

No I'd axe the Allen/Mobley pairing and bring in a floor spacing big man.

If you can do that w/o trading Jarrett Allen, amazing.

If you ahve to trade Jarrett Allen to do it? Fine.


The cavs are trying to zig while everyone else is zagging. Sacrifice spacing to have elite rim protection. Well, they were the number 1 rated defense in the regular season and then they got to the post-season and couldn't score 100 points against a middle of the road defensive team.

I'm of the opinion they will, eventually, have to sacrifice the number 1 rated defense to move in a direction that the rest of the league has went in. One of your bigs has to space the floor, at minimum.

And all the time. Not just 10 minutes a game. But all 48 minutes needs to be comprised of at least one floor spacing big man.

Mobley has more upside than Allen (by a lot), he's a more versatile defender than Allen, and for a couple more years, he's way cheaper than Allen.

he's the one you keep.

Of course, you had said, see if mobley develops a jumper otherwise you have to make a move, and I knew you meant what you ultimately explained. Was just seeing if you'd bite on it.

Yes I think Mobley will be able to space the floor enough, at least in the regular season. I think on offense they need to play more high low or play the triangle like the Jackson teams. They need to force better spacing. The wing issue exploited the tower look. Lauri solved that issue.

 

[Rich]

Cavs just have terrible depth in the front-court to where JA is basically a financial necessity at this point. I think shooting solves most of the Cavs problems for now. Go out and get a Mo Bamba that can space and stagger JA/Mobley with him. Hopefully Mobley's shot and girth improves to where JA can be moved for a more relevant piece.

I would love JA for Myles Turner, but I don't know why Indiana would.

Well they have to try to rectify that.

1) You hope Diop is ready to come over

2) You simply start laying down the law with JBB: YOu have to play these guys. You have to develop Isaiah Mobley, Diop. You have to commit to playing Robin Lopez 10 minutes a night.

Something.


Yes, they might not be very good, but that's what it takes.

Cody Zeller isn't any good either but the Heat still find the team to make sure he gets in there to spell Bam.

 

[Jscc]

Well they have to try to rectify that.

1) You hope Diop is ready to come over

2) You simply start laying down the law with JBB: YOu have to play these guys. You have to develop Isaiah Mobley, Diop. You have to commit to playing Robin Lopez 10 minutes a night.

Something.


Yes, they might not be very good, but that's what it takes.

Cody Zeller isn't any good either but the Heat still find the team to make sure he gets in there to spell Bam.

I agree. But all of these off-season discussions seem to revolve around JBB ultimately limiting what this team can do/does. It's getting tiresome. If they have to tell him what to do then just fire his ass. He's not good enough to have as much roster power that he does via shortening the rotation.

 

[PIP]

Think Windy nailed it this morning.

JA is on a nice contract but he’s a role player and a Center and there’s not really a market for this kinda player…

That’s the dilemma…

 

[CavsKermit]

Think Windy nailed it this morning.

JA is on a nice contract but he’s a role player and a Center and there’s not really a market for this kinda player…

That’s the dilemma…

There's a market. Plenty of teams still lack rim protection. It's just that you're talking about a marginal upgrade over our current wing core and that's a net loss for the Cavs.

 

[CavsKermit]

I agree. But all of these off-season discussions seem to revolve around JBB ultimately limiting what this team can do/does. It's getting tiresome. If they have to tell him what to do then just fire his ass. He's not good enough to have as much roster power that he does via shortening the rotation.

Also, if you're going to try to improve spacing, guys like RoLo and Diop aren't going to do it. I'm not convinced that I. Mobley is really an NBA player (at least until he makes strength and conditioning a priority). The front office needs to go out and get another stretch big with one of their exceptions.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Think Windy nailed it this morning.

JA is on a nice contract but he’s a role player and a Center and there’s not really a market for this kinda player…

That’s the dilemma…

He might’ve gone from great value to slightly overpaid this past season. I think he’s more of a 20-24 mpg C and not the 30+ min guy there Cavs have used him as. That being said, he’ll play at least 28 min as long as JBB is here. If you look around the league, the teams where he’d be a good fit generally already have a player like him at C.

Lakers, Mavs, Suns (if they trade Ayton), and maybe Clippers look like good fits but would generally be tough to pull off.

 

[Omar The Horse]

He has so much work to do. I fully expect him to come back next season the exact same player or worse.

 

[2 For The Brew]

Just a ridiculous amount of hate for this man.

Assuming we don’t trade him this summer let’s see if he gets better. He needs strength training and a 10-12 footer. It’s on him.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Just a ridiculous amount of hate for this man.

Assuming we don’t trade him this summer let’s see if he gets better. He needs strength training and a 10-12 footer. It’s on him.

It's the offensive scheme, period.

 

[2 For The Brew]

It's the offensive scheme, period.

There's an offensive scheme?

 

[Randolphkeys]

There's an offensive scheme?

I know it's cool to act like they just roll the balls out like a lazy PE teacher, but offensive sets improved dramatically last season. The problem came when Thibs countered and JBB didn't have a plan B.

They went from "double pick and roll with the two bigs everytime" to a motion offense. They allowed Mobley to create from the high post. They designed plays where one guard is running a pick and roll while the other takes an off ball pick and sets up in the same corner for an open three. All of that was good. A legit argument can be made that losing two shooting forwards killed the spacing for some beautiful plays.

I am struck by two major impressions at the end of the season:

1. When the beautiful plays get mucked up by a physical team, you need three point shooters with spacing gravity to make the mucking up more clear to refs.

2. When Donovan is struggling, he tends to over-dribble. When Garland is struggling, he tends to become passive.

Now why do I bring all that up in the Jarrett Allen thread? It's because Allen does have his limitations but everyone on the roster has limitations. Bad rotations, a lack of depth and a coach who doesn't counter with new ideas when the first idea fails all didn't help. Allen is somehow both the scapegoat and the guy who JBB couldn't take off the floor in the playoffs. I'm still waiting for a few fans to examine why.

 

[Mowie666]

I just went into the trade machine for a bit, and now I feel better about him again. $20 mill is still really really good value for this guy. Just try and go trade him for Myles Turner.

 

[ice cream man]

I don’t see not having big man depth as a good enough excuse for Allen’s poor play in the playoffs. As I remember many of us were begging him to play with more aggressiveness and effort during the regular season around 50% of the time he was on the court. And he’s just not a threat offensively outside of lobs when he’s engaged.

 

[Futuredome]

I don’t see not having big man depth as a good enough excuse for Allen’s poor play in the playoffs. As I remember many of us were begging him to play with more aggressiveness and effort during the regular season around 50% of the time he was on the court. And he’s just not a threat offensively outside of lobs when he’s engaged.

It effects ability to play 100% when your conserving, especially for a big.