Jefferson thinks he could be dealt

[cdt]

Oh snap he just got dealt on 2k8 for Andrei Kirilenko!

cdt's starting 5

PG - Boobie Gibson
SG Michael Redd
SF LeBron James
PF Charlie Villanueva
C Z

Anthony Parker, Varejao, Devin Brown off the bench

 

[CornerThree]

he's a gay.

 

[Smooth]

^^^ good points. I still think he is more of a 3rd option like part of a big 3 such as Arenas, Caron, and Antawn or Garnett, Pierce, Allen....

Do any of them have a player such of LeBron James? No, thus why the comparison is unfair.

wouldn't mind having a Lebron, Redd, Jefferson type trio although there are not enough positions for that one unless Lebron played the 4. Do you really think RJ is a second option on a championship caliber team? I'm not convinced.

FYI, Jefferson scored 15.5 points per game in his second season when the Nets reached the Finals for the second consecutive time... Kidd lead them and Martin was 2nd... So I think with Z and James and with him maturing, he certainly could be... Especially with the East being weak...

On a side note: I think the way to build a team around LeBron, and in general, is to build one in three ways: one with a legit point guard, wing player and post player; one with two dominant wing players; or one with a dominant wing player and a dominant center...

If you look at the teams in today's league and the champions of since the 2000's, they are all built in those ways...

The Hornets follow the 1st mold with Paul, Peja and West...

The Pistons follow the 1st mold with Billups, Hamilton and Wallace...

The Spurs follow the 1st mold with Parker, Ginboli and Duncan...

You could say that Celtics follow the 2nd mold with Pierce and Garnett...

The Lakers follow the 3rd mold with Bryant and Gasol...

If you look at the past champions:

The Spurs follow the 1st mold and is the same one they have today... Ditto with the Pistons... They won 4 championships and are stable throughout all the years and are always considered contenders... If you want to go back further, the Lakers rolled with Abdul-Jabbar, Magic and Worthy... And they stayed successful for awhile with it...

The Heat and Lakers follow the 2nd one and won 4 championships with it... But we see what it is like after the championships: disaster and inconsistency along with waiting until the next championship and the chance of being contenders... Even the Rockets followed this mold mid 90's and didn't do too well afterwards...

Now I have to go back past the 2000's for this, but the ones with two dominant wing players seems to be the most successful... The Bulls and Pistons won 8 championships with MJ/Pippen and Dumars/Thomas... They were constantly contenders, always competitive and won multiple titles and afterwards they were still good and have rebounded well...

With those three models in mind, I think model model 1 and model 3 are the most realistic... Model 2 doesn't seem too realistic with us already having Ilgauskas, which prevents us from acquiring that player as well as even if we didn't, he isn't that dominant center... But what puts a damper on it is that there isn't a market for a dominant player like that on the market...

Model 1 seems like the most stable but isn't the most successful... We have James and Ilgauskas that fit the model but don't have the point guard necessary... Guys like Jason Terry, Kirk Hinrich and Andre Miller could be potential available but I don't think they're good enough scorers to fit that mold... Thus throwing this model in the can...

Last but not least is the two dominant wing players model and I think this is one best for LeBron and best with what is available and what we have... If you look at similar players in Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson, this is what they thrived in and won a combined 9 (maybe 11) championships... They had their sidekicks in Scottie Pippen and James Worthy/Jamal Wilkes... I think once we get LeBron his "sidekick" our model will be complete...

The Lakers also had guys like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Byron Scott around Magic and Wilkes/Worthy while the Bulls had guys like Horace Grant/Toni Kukoc and Ron Harper/B.J. Armstrong around Pippen and Jordan...

Right now I think we have similar pieces with Ilgauskas and potentially West... Ilgauskas definitely fits that Jabbar/Grant/Kukoc role those guys played in their championships and is just as good if not better (same as the older Kareem)... West seems like a good fit in the Scott/Haprer/Armstrong role, playing the combo guard who can score when needed, defend well and dish out assists when needed... He certainly isn't at the Byron Scott level but he possesses the same type of skills these PG's of the teams had... If he can play like he has of late, he could certainly be the missing piece...

This is why I think getting a sidekick is so important and any guy that can shoot well, be durable, score 20+ a game, is a solid defender and is still young could be so valuable.. Because we have the pieces right now to compete... We just need to get that sidekick... Guys like RJ don't come along too often and if the opportunity is there, I'd be pissed off we didn't strike... Ilgauskas won't last forever and we should take advantage of him while he is here... Because we'll be hard pressed to find a center to do the things he does and provide us with what he provides...

If Jefferson isn't acquired, there are a few other players that could make this model work but not many... Thus why we really need to take a look at RJ, regardless of if he's "gay" or is a "whiner"...

 

[Splitz]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/52027/20080417/thorn_ready_to_shake_up_nets/

Thorn Ready To Shake Up Nets
April 17, 2008 - 4:11 pm

After a disappointing season, Rod Thorn is ready to shake up the roster of the Nets, according to the Record (New Jersey).

"I think we're going to do some things to make us better," Thorn said. "I think that's a big part of the challenge. Every year doesn't go great. There have been a lot of teams that have been worse off than we are and have been able to come back."

"I look forward to the challenge of trying to get us back where we want to be," Thorn added.

It is believed that Richard Jefferson and Marcus Williams could be on Thorn's list of players he would like to move.

Looks like he is definitely going to be available based on the fact that Thorn is going to take on a full scale rebuilding project. What would be a feasible package? This deal for me takes a major backseat to a trade involving Brand and/or Redd but if neither of those pans out, I would consider this one favorably.

 

[Smooth]

Expirings, young talent and picks... We see it every year and the pattern never changes...

The problem with the Nets is that they really don't have many big contracts beside Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter...

I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of:

Wally Szczerbiak
Anderson Varejao
Damon Jones
Sasha Pavlovic

for

Richard Jefferson
Trenton Hassell
Stromile Swift
Keith Van Horn

We give them some nice young talent along with potentially, tons of expirings...

 

[Lee]

Re: Nets' Jefferson charged with assaulting man in January

didnt think this deserved its own thread, so i just used this one,,,For those who want Jefferson, not sure if this will change your mind.

Nets' Jefferson charged with assaulting man in January
Associated Press

Updated: May 7, 2008, 3:55 PM ET
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MINNEAPOLIS -- New Jersey Nets forward Richard Jefferson was arrested Wednesday on charges of assault for grabbing another man by the throat in a Minneapolis club earlier this year.




Jefferson

Jefferson was in town with the team on Jan. 27 when, according to a charge filed, he went to a club in the Graves Hotel where the victim was having a private birthday party in a roped-off section.

The documents say Jefferson entered the area and got angry when he was asked to leave. He is accused of grabbing the victim, shoving him to a bench and choking him with both hands.

Nets spokesman Gary Sussman had no comment. Jefferson's agent did not immediately return a phone message.

Jefferson's first court hearing is set for June 18.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

Funny thing is, I always thought he was a choker, now he has been offically brought up on charges of choking. :chuckles:

 

[PIP]

That's funny cause I always thought he was a catcher...

 

[Lee]

That's funny cause I always thought he was a catcher...

He is a big guy, he is probably the dominate role....I would imagine he Pitches, but I always had the same feelings myself. Maybe Jefferson choked the man with something besides his hands. :chuckles:

 

[Splitz]

You gotta choke these motherf*ckers on occasion. I have no problem with it.

 

[Smooth]

There is only one side of the story... Who knows what really happened...

I find it odd that this guy filed charges and is taking him to court 3 MONTHS after the fact this actually happened...

I certainly don't think this should be a barrier but I just find this whole incident odd and trivial...

 

[Maximus]

Was it a sexual assault?

I'm not sure Lebron would want him here...

 

[Splitz]

I'm sorry, I have nothing to say about the topic. It's just been a week since anyone posted in this forum.

 

[Numbers Guy]

Nets must aggressively pursue major trade

Nets president Rod Thorn and general manager Kiki Vandeweghe talked of keeping the nucleus together after finishing 34-48 this past season, but that's not what they want. That's not their plan.

They would like to do something big. Remember Thorn's specialty has been pulling off blockbusters and Vandeweghe rebuilt the Nuggets when he was their GM.

Thinking big, the Nets have had exploratory conversations with Denver about Carmelo Anthony and Marcus Camby, league sources said. Vandeweghe traded for Camby and drafted Anthony in Denver.

Nothing is imminent. The Nuggets are not committed to moving Anthony yet. But after his recent legal troubles plus five straight first-round losses, they are listening to offers for their players.

More big names could become available by the end of the playoffs and as the draft nears. All the coaching changes could lead teams to shake up their rosters to fit their style.

Having said that, the Nets have assets to do something: three draft picks, Keith Van Horn's contract, young players Marcus Williams, Sean Williams, Josh Boone, Richard Jefferson coming off his best statistical season, Nenad Krstic's contract that they can use in a sign-and-trade and one $3.3 million trade exception from the Jason Kidd deal. (It was two, but the league changed it.)

A big night for the Nets will be Tuesday's draft lottery. When they know where they will select – if form holds it will be No. 10 – they can decide what to do with their picks and see how valuable they are around the league.

With two first-rounders, the Nets are prime candidates to deal. Although Vandeweghe said they want to get younger, the ultimate plan is getting better. Adding a major piece like an Anthony would do that.

The Nets may not have enough to get him, but they have to be aggressively pursue moves this off-season. Returning the same team would be a big mistake.

That would be a great trade for NJ, But im not so sure about it working out for Denver..

 

[Splitz]

That would be a great trade for NJ, But im not so sure about it working out for Denver..

I don't know why the Nuggets would trade Carmello unless they were going to get a superstar in return. Especially for that crop of junk that the Nets would offer.

 

[Kypus]

...I would imagine he Pitches, but I always had the same feelings myself. :chuckles: