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A couple of years ago The Oi said "Put it this way...if you could SHOW me evidence of God doing something NOW that either myself or others whom I trust could perceive, I'd be open to further consideration."


So starting December of last year I started praying for people and saw someone healed about an average of one per day. Not everyone gets healed, but I have seen some amazing healing. My mother had sciatic nerve pain for years and after praying she was instantly healed. My dad has seizures and I have prayed for him multiple times and he continues to have seizures. If I ever prayed for seizures and saw them healed, I would go and pray for Jigo so that he would no longer have to suffer.

About three weeks ago, a random guy on the street asks for gas money. I did not have any money but I prayed for that and then asked if he had any injuries. He said he had a herniated disk in his back for about ten years. When I asked him about the pain, I could see it in his eyes he was in a ton of pain. After I prayed he was instantly healed by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Also if anyone has questions about the Bible, I would like to answer those as well. Grace to you all.
 
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A couple of years ago The Oi said "Put it this way...if you could SHOW me evidence of God doing something NOW that either myself or others whom I trust could perceive, I'd be open to further consideration."


So starting December of last year I started praying for people and saw someone healed about an average of one per day. Not everyone gets healed, but I have seen some amazing healing. My mother had sciatic nerve pain for years and after praying she was instantly healed. My dad has seizures and I have prayed for him multiple times and he continues to have seizures. If I ever prayed for seizures and saw them healed, I would go and pray for Jigo so that he would no longer have to suffer.

About three weeks ago, a random guy on the street asks for gas money. I did not have any money but I prayed for that and then asked if he had any injuries. He said he had a herniated disk in his back for about ten years. When I asked him about the pain, I could see it in his eyes he was in a ton of pain. After I prayed he was instantly healed by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Also if anyone has questions about the Bible, I would like to answer those as well. Grace to you all.

I talked to my Rabbi and he said to tell you that your a SCHMUCK.
 
Imagine a child, an innocent, who is molested, raped, and brutalized repeatedly. She undergoes this form of abuse for the entirety of her childhood and adolescence until it drives her to a quite literal insanity. All this time, she was raised in a devout Christian household, and as a devout Christian, she prayed to God - constantly - to save her...

And He never did.... there was no intervention... there was no literal salvation...

So at what point does "prayer" save? At what point do we either find fault with the child for somehow not being deserving of prayer; or, by contrast, we question the power of prayer itself and decide that maybe this isn't how reality works.

Maybe, just maybe, this .. this idea that you are describing .. simply is not real...?
 
Imagine a child, an innocent, who is molested, raped, and brutalized repeatedly. She undergoes this form of abuse for the entirety of her childhood and adolescence until it drives her to a quite literal insanity. All this time, she was raised in a devout Christian household, and as a devout Christian, she prayed to God - constantly - to save her...

And He never did.... there was no intervention... there was no literal salvation...

So at what point does "prayer" save? At what point do we either find fault with the child for somehow not being deserving of prayer; or, by contrast, we question the power of prayer itself and decide that maybe this isn't how reality works.

Maybe, just maybe, this .. this idea that you are describing .. simply is not real...?

There is always, ALWAYS an out with prayer. And religion in general. And god.

The religious will always find a way to explain to you that something was God's will.

It's why I'm still shocked that you found your way to religion.
 
There is always, ALWAYS an out with prayer. And religion in general. And god.

The religious will always find a way to explain to you that something was God's will.

It's why I'm still shocked that you found your way to religion.

I've gone from devout Catholic to secular atheist back to Catholic, dabbled with Buddhism, and settled somewhere between Catholicism and scientifically motivated weak agnosticism.

But the ideas expressed here really have nothing to do with Catholic religious views.. Catholics have explored the philosophy of this topic extensively for 2,000 years. Nearly over the entirety of that time, Catholics have generally expressed that humans are free, we have, as a consequence of being conscious and sentient, a complete and undeniable means of controlling our own actions.... Biblically speaking "we have dominion over the Earth."

So, the evil in the world is quite simply the tapestry of individual decisions made by persons exercising their free will to bring about that evil. There is no need to invoke either God or the Devil or any metaphysical concept in order to explain evil..

Evil is a product of man's actions. Period.

I think any rational person would agree with that, religious or otherwise.
 
@The Oi

Was going to edit this in, but, it turned into it's own post so...

When I say that I'm Catholic, I mean that I have enculturated the beliefs and practices of the Catholic tradition, that I am baptized and confirmed as a Catholic, and I'm generally in communion or in other words what I would call "grace" or "harmony" with the Church itself. I occasionally will practice the sacraments of confession, penance and reconciliation; I do pray when attending church or - to be perfectly honest - in times where I have been completely distraught; I attend Mass on religious holidays; and I occasionally participate in the religious rituals of my Catholic tradition.

So.. why the fuck would I do this if I also describe myself as being near that of a weak agnostic? Or as my colleagues would ask, "how can you be a scientist/logician/etc and also believe in God?" (I don't consider myself any of those things, but within academia that's the tract that I was on; I didn't get my PhD so - I don't use the -ist terms that come with it).

So as someone who studied to become a physicist, particularly the study of astrophysics and cosmology; how can I also be "in communion" with the Church?

Well.. for starters; I don't know that there is or isn't a God. So I don't "believe" in a God insomuch as I don't disbelieve there is one either. I simply do not know; and I assert that anyone who claims they do know is very likely either lying or is delusional. And that cuts both ways.

Now with respect to prayer, for me, as a somewhat weak agnostic; is more about introspection, meditation, and personal reflection rather than seeking a two-way conversation with an anthropomorphic deity.

So if you ask me when I pray do I think I'm talking to an old dude in the sky, my answer is no. But if you ask me does prayer help me psychologically, to both focus my thoughts and to simultaneously defocus others (or all of them); then the answer is yes, absolutely. In fact, I know of no other way to do this nor have I come across any other form of personal behavioral exercise that could replace meditation within my life experience.

With respect to confession; I think it is therapeutic. It is no different for me to speak to a priest about my sins than it would be for me to also speak to a psychiatrist about a potentially unethical act that I may have done in the past that is bothering me or hindering me from finding a feeling of stability in my own ethical self and ego.

Penance and reconciliation, ethically speaking, is merely the act of self-actualizing the ethical ramifications of sin, or unethical behavior, by bringing about a purification by ritual meditation, sacrifice, and commitment. There is a mathematical order to this that is genuinely remarkable, in that the individual is motivated to seek an ethical balance between past sin, present ethical state (between right and wrong), and future action.

That is to say, the sinner is compelled to not only meditate, or to pray, but to find within himself the driving force behind the behavior. Beyond that, to then to both consciously and unconsciously (through ritual repetitive chanting, prayer over long periods of time) attempt to address his own personal failings within his own ethical framework. Ultimately, a sacrifice of time, and often labor, is made to improve both the self and the outside world; or, in other words, to reconcile and bring balance back to the disturbed ethical state which came about as a result of individual, personal, unethical decisions.

Now, this can obviously go wrong if one substitutes what one believes to be the Church's ethics with one's own ethics without reconciling the two first (this happens quite a bit). But if a person is whole in their ethical understanding of right and wrong (which does not come by default), then they themselves can and should be able to identify 'sin,' at least in my view, and in a healthy and harmless way.

So, I think you get where I'm going with this....

For me as a rational individual, the Church does not need to be rejected as an institution outright simply because it purports the existence of demons and cherubs waging some metaphysical conflict on my behalf. There is something to be found within these thousands of year old traditons that, I think, is difficult to replace. That is not to suggest that religion is required for morality or ethics; that's nonsense, in fact, the reverse is true. But that is to say that religion does serve a purpose within life, in that, it allows me a vehicle to explore the spiritual and metaphysical without reinventing the wheel myself.

In that, yes, I find the culture, traditions, structure, ritual and generalized belief system of the Church to be quite useful.

Hope this makes sense.
 
I have a very similar belief system/spiritual practice.

Ever read either of these?

Frank Schaeffer
Why I am an Atheist Who Believes in God: How to give love, create beauty and find peace

The Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical
Gerald Schroeder, PhD

Not entirely accurate, and leaves a lot vague. But enough to set the mind on an interesting path of allowing one to accept both science and religion.

If light can be both particle and wave, and two particles can be in synchronicity despite being great distances from each other, and quantum particles have to be described as statistical probability waves because they're in many places at once, but nowhere in particular, then scientists have had to learn to accept apparent opposites.

Religious institutions are by nature imperfect entities, since they are human entities. That does not require the complete rejection of everything religious, especially when there are aspects of it that can be useful and helpful. Many would say that for most, having a spiritual life is a basic human need. Religion is one very common tool to have that. The problem I see is when people follow blindly even when it's destructive. Or when people feel the need to convince others that their way is the only way.

Anyone who wants to reject it completely, or choose a different tool for their spiritual life, I have no argument with them. Anyone can choose to live life how he/she sees fit, no proselytizing here.
 
I support the right of all people to embrace any system of belief as long as it doesn't hurt others or bring more misery and suffering to the world.

But if the OP or the guy in the video truly believe that they have the ability to tap into the healing power of a supreme almighty God then why aren't they in a terminal cancer ward somewhere instead of out on the street dealing with relatively minor ailments?

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@The Oi

Was going to edit this in, but, it turned into it's own post so...

When I say that I'm Catholic, I mean that I have enculturated the beliefs and practices of the Catholic tradition, that I am baptized and confirmed as a Catholic, and I'm generally in communion or in other words what I would call "grace" or "harmony" with the Church itself. I occasionally will practice the sacraments of confession, penance and reconciliation; I do pray when attending church or - to be perfectly honest - in times where I have been completely distraught; I attend Mass on religious holidays; and I occasionally participate in the religious rituals of my Catholic tradition.

So.. why the fuck would I do this if I also describe myself as being near that of a weak agnostic? Or as my colleagues would ask, "how can you be a scientist/logician/etc and also believe in God?" (I don't consider myself any of those things, but within academia that's the tract that I was on; I didn't get my PhD so - I don't use the -ist terms that come with it).

So as someone who studied to become a physicist, particularly the study of astrophysics and cosmology; how can I also be "in communion" with the Church?

Well.. for starters; I don't know that there is or isn't a God. So I don't "believe" in a God insomuch as I don't disbelieve there is one either. I simply do not know; and I assert that anyone who claims they do know is very likely either lying or is delusional. And that cuts both ways.

Now with respect to prayer, for me, as a somewhat weak agnostic; is more about introspection, meditation, and personal reflection rather than seeking a two-way conversation with an anthropomorphic deity.

So if you ask me when I pray do I think I'm talking to an old dude in the sky, my answer is no. But if you ask me does prayer help me psychologically, to both focus my thoughts and to simultaneously defocus others (or all of them); then the answer is yes, absolutely. In fact, I know of no other way to do this nor have I come across any other form of personal behavioral exercise that could replace meditation within my life experience.

With respect to confession; I think it is therapeutic. It is no different for me to speak to a priest about my sins than it would be for me to also speak to a psychiatrist about a potentially unethical act that I may have done in the past that is bothering me or hindering me from finding a feeling of stability in my own ethical self and ego.

Penance and reconciliation, ethically speaking, is merely the act of self-actualizing the ethical ramifications of sin, or unethical behavior, by bringing about a purification by ritual meditation, sacrifice, and commitment. There is a mathematical order to this that is genuinely remarkable, in that the individual is motivated to seek an ethical balance between past sin, present ethical state (between right and wrong), and future action.

That is to say, the sinner is compelled to not only meditate, or to pray, but to find within himself the driving force behind the behavior. Beyond that, to then to both consciously and unconsciously (through ritual repetitive chanting, prayer over long periods of time) attempt to address his own personal failings within his own ethical framework. Ultimately, a sacrifice of time, and often labor, is made to improve both the self and the outside world; or, in other words, to reconcile and bring balance back to the disturbed ethical state which came about as a result of individual, personal, unethical decisions.

Now, this can obviously go wrong if one substitutes what one believes to be the Church's ethics with one's own ethics without reconciling the two first (this happens quite a bit). But if a person is whole in their ethical understanding of right and wrong (which does not come by default), then they themselves can and should be able to identify 'sin,' at least in my view, and in a healthy and harmless way.

So, I think you get where I'm going with this....

For me as a rational individual, the Church does not need to be rejected as an institution outright simply because it purports the existence of demons and cherubs waging some metaphysical conflict on my behalf. There is something to be found within these thousands of year old traditons that, I think, is difficult to replace. That is not to suggest that religion is required for morality or ethics; that's nonsense, in fact, the reverse is true. But that is to say that religion does serve a purpose within life, in that, it allows me a vehicle to explore the spiritual and metaphysical without reinventing the wheel myself.

In that, yes, I find the culture, traditions, structure, ritual and generalized belief system of the Church to be quite useful.

Hope this makes sense.

I accept that religion is a very personal and thus subjective thing.

So, yes, this all makes sense. I do now understand what the Catholic church does for you and particularly how it helps you in times of need and makes you more mentally whole.

So with that said...(and I think YOU know what's coming)

I'm agnostic. I am not religious. Though I do, as stated above, appreciate how religion could provide value to people. I TRY not to be judgemental of people who are religious so long as they are not harming me in any way.

So my experience with the Catholic church is based on attending church as a child, attending church with my wife and her family (until my wife chose to leave recently) and reading about it in the media.

In Orlando, we attended a Catholic church that I had a largely positive experience with. The masses were positive. There was a family environment. They had huge festivals that made a ton of money for great causes. 10/10 experience.

Here in PA...0/10 experience. All guilt, all day. Boring services. It was one of the dioceses that was caught for molestation. Everything is about the church. Not about God.

My general impression of Catholicism is much closer to the church here than to the one in Orlando. The arbitrary rules about gay marriage that aren't in the Bible, that priests aren't allowed to get married, that non-Catholics can't take communion, and above all the sexual abuse cover-ups.

I can't imagine confessing to a Catholic priest given the likelihood of his having taken part in that hypocrisy. It makes my skin crawl.

With all that said, you are obviously wise enough to understand I am not criticizing you or your faith but rather the people who have damaged the reputation of the religion.

I am curious as to how you reconcile this problem.
 
I accept that religion is a very personal and thus subjective thing.

So, yes, this all makes sense. I do now understand what the Catholic church does for you and particularly how it helps you in times of need and makes you more mentally whole.

So with that said...(and I think YOU know what's coming)

I'm agnostic. I am not religious. Though I do, as stated above, appreciate how religion could provide value to people. I TRY not to be judgemental of people who are religious so long as they are not harming me in any way.

So my experience with the Catholic church is based on attending church as a child, attending church with my wife and her family (until my wife chose to leave recently) and reading about it in the media.

At this point, you and I are pretty much in the same boat. I don't consider myself "religious" in the slightest. I understand religion, and I've studied it extensively. Hell, I wanted to be a priest when I was a kid. But I wouldn't call myself religious these days; not by any stretch of the imagination..

In Orlando, we attended a Catholic church that I had a largely positive experience with. The masses were positive. There was a family environment. They had huge festivals that made a ton of money for great causes. 10/10 experience.

Here in PA...0/10 experience. All guilt, all day. Boring services. It was one of the dioceses that was caught for molestation. Everything is about the church. Not about God.

That's unfortunate, but... just as I wouldn't hold it against an entire race of people because of my experiences in say.. the South; I wouldn't hold it against an entire religion because of my experiences in a particular part of the country -- especially a part that is big on worshiping the Church as an institution rather than actually practicing the religion itself using the Church as a vehicle to do so.

My general impression of Catholicism is much closer to the church here than to the one in Orlando. The arbitrary rules about gay marriage that aren't in the Bible, that priests aren't allowed to get married, that non-Catholics can't take communion, and above all the sexual abuse cover-ups.

So let's go through these...

It's quite true the Bible says nothing about gay marriage and the Church seems to lag behind civil institutions in this respect. But do I condemn the Church which is based on a book that goes back 2,000 years as much as I condemn the government? No. Why? Because the Church is a conservative, slow-moving, slow-to-change institution itself.

We just recognized gay marriage as a right of all people in this country; where we are supposedly free and liberal minded? We still tolerate homophobia, by and large, as a society; particularly within this country. It is still a very large part of who we are, and it is a literal evil that needs to be excised.

So yes, the Church is wrong when it comes to gay marriage... but I understand why it hasn't changed yet, and I don't dismiss it as an organization or institution for good because of this. I, instead, assign ignorance to both the parish and the parishioner in this regard... because, when there is a large enough outcry of people demanding change, the Church, as it has historically, will change. But for the time being, yes, they are wrong - and I would understand boycotting them because of this.

Now, with respect to the other two concerns; I'm going to take a contrary viewpoint here.

1) I do not believe priests should be either sexually active or married. I'm actually very much against the idea.

The arguments for an end to clerical celibacy are generally centered around a belief that it would (1) somehow end child abuse, (2) cause more people to become priests.

Addressing both of these arguments for a moment...

I would state that chastity and celibacy does not beget pedophilia. You could not remove me from sexuality and somehow convert me into a pedophile. This belief presupposes that priests exist in some cloistered world where they can't go outside, dressed as a normal individual, and pick up a hooker. It conflates pedophilia with normal sexuality and sexual desire, and assumes that celibacy somehow leads to a mental disorder where a person will predominantly target children - to which, there is no evidence that this is the case at all. By contrast, it is more likely true that people who have a predilection for such things are likely drawn to the Church (or any profession) because of the access it affords them to children in private.

So with that said, I reject the notion that having priests who are sexually active would somehow significantly mitigate child abuse. That just makes no rational sense to me if we accept the premise that the desire to specifically rape children is not something someone just decides to do like getting up and brushing your teeth; but is instead, caused by a more innate and physiological and/or mental disorder.

Getting to the second rationale, that this would increase the number of people wanting to become priests; well, I cannot argue against that at all. As I've said before, I wanted to become a priest; until I realized the sacrifice that I would have to make, realized how much I really liked fucking, and that I wouldn't be able to do it and live with the decision. This doesn't make me respect the decision to become a priest any less; in fact, it's just the opposite.

To be a priest should require a great deal of sacrifice and commitment. Moreover, we should expect a priests obligations and devoting to be to God, His Church, and his parishioners; first and foremost. Adding a family to this complicates things, because a man (or woman) will generally prioritize their children and their spouse before any person outside their immediate family. Furthermore, the inherent cost of raising a family would become a significantly higher added cost to the parish and the Church itself... Where does this additional money come from?

So to me, while I agree that it would likely make more people want to become priests; I disagree that this is a desirable outcome if it lowers the bar for entry into the priesthood by abandoning the sacrifice and commitment that comes with celibacy and complete personal devotion to the Church.

Now with all of that said; are priests generally wonderful people? In my experience.. priests are just like anyone else you'd meet on the street.. Some are very kind; some are assholes. A very close friend of my wife and her husband went to get counselling from a priest and from what I understand the man was completely unreceptive to them. He had no understanding of their marital problems, couldn't help them, and admitted as much. Why he was a fucking priest I have no idea...

By contrast, when I was a child, a priest basically saved my life. When I experienced my first run-in with extreme vitriolic and violent racism at a Catholic school; it was the Church and the old Irish priest that ran it that defended me and made me feel like a human being and not something 'other.'

So everyone has different experiences in this regard, and I understand there's a shit-ton of very well-placed anger directed at the Church for the abuse scandal... and rightfully so.

And lastly, a non-Catholic cannot take communion because Catholics don't just take communion. I think you might be conflating the Protestant practice of communion with the Catholic sacrament of the Eucharist.

Catholics take the Eucharist (communion) quite seriously.. outside of baptism, the Eucharist is the most sacred practice and ritual within the Church. It represents the transubstantiation of bread and wine into the flesh and blood of Christ; or, in other words, the literal essence of God himself. In order to receive this sacrament, one must be in a state of "communion" with the Church, and also a state of Grace with himself and God. In order to define such a state, generally speaking, one must not be in a state of sin; or in other words, a state that is tarnished by sin.

To put it as short as possible; you must be pure to receive the Eucharist.

Now, with respect to the rites generally dictated by the Catechism and the traditions of the Church; it is not true that non-Catholics are completely forbidden from receiving the Eucharist. They can, just as they can and do receive other sacraments (usually at times where a person is near-death, or there is no other church, or partial communion exists). The reason it is not permitted in general mass for non-Catholics is because it would be pointless, and would generally lessen the meaningfulness of the rite itself.

So what do I mean by this...

Well, for one, if you are not Catholic, why are you attempting to receive the Eucharist?

If you are non-Christian, then you must be baptized before receiving the Eucharist.. If you really want to have communion, get baptized, and have communion.. If you disagree with this, why are you trying to receive the Eucharist in a Catholic Church to begin with?

If you are Christian, yet non-Catholic, then are you sure your religion is even compatible with Catholicism when it comes to the Eucharist?

And if you are Christian, yet non-Catholic, and your religious denomination is in communion with the Roman Church, then you're more than welcome to have communion and receive the Eucharist... Go for it.

Moreover, these rules apply to Catholics just as much as they apply to anyone else. I've embarrassed my wife more than once by not receiving communion because I knew I could not really considering myself in an ethically pure state; I was just in church so that I wouldn't hear her mouth... but that doesn't mean I'm going to receive the Eucharist, and if I did, who am I trying to fool? Myself? Nobody there is counting my sins but me, and no one is required to believe this is real, except me.... So what's the fucking point?

See where this goes?

The Eucharist is as much a ritualistic act that binds all Christians (Catholics and others in communion with the Church), but it's also an expression of faith... If you don't believe, what's the point?

I can't imagine confessing to a Catholic priest given the likelihood of his having taken part in that hypocrisy. It makes my skin crawl.

I don't look at every priest and project such horrors onto them... I think that's a bit too far. If they were complicit in the scandal then hopefully they'll get what's coming to them.

Outside of the context of child abuse though; we're all hypocrites and sinners... One doesn't confess to a priest because he thinks the priest has any right to judge him; he confesses to him so that another man can hear him say, aloud, what he did. The purpose is to be both cathartic and therapeutic as well as psychologically and spiritually healing.

This, again in the context I used previous, should be looked at the same way as 'confessing' to your psychiatrist. It should not be looked at as confessing to say your mother, or to a further extent, God.

With all that said, you are obviously wise enough to understand I am not criticizing you or your faith but rather the people who have damaged the reputation of the religion.

As odd as this sounds, I don't really like the word "faith," as faith essentially requires the absence of rationality.

I don't consider myself a man of faith, for what it's worth. That's definitely a bit beyond my mental capability.

I know this sounds weird given I've just gone on sounding like a classic Catholic apologist; but, my personal beliefs are more rooted in science than in faith.

I am curious as to how you reconcile this problem.

Hope this post answers some of these questions.
 
Very fickle, our Yeshua Ben Yusaf.
 

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