Joe Johnson

[SpursFan21]

It's a hell of a decision for the Cavs to make. On one hand Thompson's emergence and the trade for Mozgov make Varejao a prime target to shore up the team's weakest spot, namely shooting. On the other hand, how do you do him like that?

 

[mcfly]

If Brooklyn has any interest in taking back Smith, I would be all over Haywood and Smith for Johnson. Start Shumpert, and let Johnson be a creator on the second unit. Plus, JJ has the ability to play some backup SF minutes.

Irving/Dellavedova or vet. signing
Shumpert/Johnson
James/Jones
Love/Thompson
Mozgov/Varejao

 

[Frank Reynolds]

This would be Anthony Parker part 2.

Joe is a little better, but he's old. He's not what he once was, and that guy is gone forever.

If J.R can get you 7-8 threes in a game; what's so great about Johnson?

Can someone give me an on court example of what Johnson does that a cheaper player like JR cannot?

 

[Lee]

This would be Anthony Parker part 2.

Joe is a little better, but he's old. He's not what he once was, and that guy is gone forever.

If J.R can get you 7-8 threes in a game; what's so great about Johnson?

Can someone give me an on court example of what Johnson does that a cheaper player like JR cannot?

Johnson can post up and is a legit sf, JR is a sg playing sf (when jr is asked to play sf in relief of LBJ). Johnson is just a decently bigger player.

Johnson is a much better defender. He is a plus defender, not shump level but still a very good defender.

Johnson is the superior ball handler, while not Kyrie, he would easily be our 3rd best ball handler behind Kyrie and LBJ unless we bring in another pg.

And most of all, Johnson is one of the best passing sg's in the entire league, he has consistently averaged over 4 assists a game from the sg/sf position.

I am not 100% sold on the move, he isn't worth the contract, but if he can come in and get a good idea he would sign for 2 more years at a much more reasonable deal, he would be a great piece. He is a Ray Allen level player, and Allen remained useful until 38, Johnson should have 3 maybe 4 more years of production although yes, it will be declining production. He is still a borderline all star, so he is still a good player, but there was a time you could argue he was the 2nd best sg in the league.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

I'm open to everyone's opinion on this.

It's really tough eliminating the Cleveland bias.

We always want to believe this guy will pan out in our favor.

Granted, Joe Johnson has established himself, there's plenty of history to go by.....

Still, I once thought Christian Eyenga was going to be Kawhi Leonard, and Big Daddy Canada looked like stocky, explosive and smooth like young Chuck Barkley.

We always want to believe it's going to work. Truly we've been let down in the past when we've had the same optimism... cough Antwan Jamison, Wally, Jiri......lol unbelievable.



I want to believe this would be a good move, but there's always an equal and opposite reaction: the move blows and doesn't go as planned.

BUT

We're riding the gravy train fellas! Everything on our plate is lookin good right now!


Old school rep to someone who creates a .gif of Gilbert in a maniacal daze, sitting at some enormous table, tyrannically signing checks.
I'm thinking along the lines of The Shining when Nicholson is having a psychotic episode typing "all work, no play makes Jack a dull boy." in every imaginable format.

That creepy/psychotic vibe..... along with Gilbert maniacally signing the biggest albatross contracts in the league; he's signing "the Joe Johnson deal" ,the mother of all pearls.

 

[Cavsfan1985]

The biggest benefit to JJ over JR is mental. JR is a hell of a basketball player, but lacks the mental game to be great. Talent alone when factoring in age, I would take JR. But when I look at the entire player, and what we need JJ is fit. He could easily be a starter on our team and would be a hell of a weapon as a back up. Just look at this top 8 and tell me we would not be deep.

KI
Shump
LJ
Love
Moz

JJ
TT
West - Only way we make this trade is if we know we can land West

 

[Kbiz]

The age worry isn't a primary concern of mine. His game has never been reliant on athleticism. He possesses an incredibly high B-ball IQ, which typically translates to your game continuing to age well into your twilight years.

He averaged close to 17, 8, and 5 in his only post-season series this year as the Net's second scoring option. He is going to be a 4th (and sometimes 5th) option this year.

As mentioned above, he is much more versatile than JR Smith. One of the best back-to-the-basket guards in the league. He knows how to score inside and he is patient about it...very similar to LBJ's backdown game. He is an incredibly tough guard at the 2 due to his size. He also appears to still be in great shape. He also won't bitch about his role. He is perhaps the most soft-spoken all-star, aside from Love and Aldridge, we've seen the last decade or so.

Perhaps the most important thing he can do, which JR can't, is provide a meaningful contribution at SF. His size and versatile offensive game translates very well on this team, whether he is starting or coming off the bench in a sixth man type role.

Is he worth his current contract? Of course not...He made more money than LBJ last season. But both TT, assuming the deal gets finalized soon, and Varejao aren't worth their contracts so what difference does it make? This is the current state of the NBA and DG is more then willing to spend.

 

[blommen]

Hypothetically, would Haywood, Andy and Kaun be enough to land Johnson? if that's the case and we also pick up Mo on the vet min or the MLE, what on earth do we do with our center rotation? that Leaves us with only 2 players capable of playing that position and one of those players is the first PF off the bench. Getting JJ would be really awesome but I'm still scared it doesn't leave us enough flexibility to pick up another center.

 

[malus]

Hypothetically, would Haywood, Andy and Kaun be enough to land Johnson? if that's the case and we also pick up Mo on the vet min or the MLE, what on earth do we do with our center rotation? that Leaves us with only 2 players capable of playing that position and one of those players is the first PF off the bench. Getting JJ would be really awesome but I'm still scared it doesn't leave us enough flexibility to pick up another center.

I think the Cavs are satisfied going in with Moz/TT as the center rotation. Pick up West and we're 4 deep with bigs. I'd like to have Mozgov insurance too but it'd be a luxury. Maybe we could pick up another Perkins type sometime during the season for the minimum.

 

[FiveThous]

I think the Cavs are satisfied going in with Moz/TT as the center rotation. Pick up West and we're 4 deep with bigs. I'd like to have Mozgov insurance too but it'd be a luxury. Maybe we could pick up another Perkins type sometime during the season for the minimum.

Christmas is coming.

 

[gourimoko]

Report: Joe Johnson could be 'a prime candidate for a buyout'

Johnson has been a strong contributor in Brooklyn for years.


Anthony Gruppuso-USA TODAY Sports
By Fred KatzJan 7, 2016 at 5:20p ET


Joe Johnson is in the midst of his worst ever season, which could make the second-highest paid player in the NBA pretty tough to move. Even if his deal is expiring—Johnson becomes a free agent this summer—a team would have to give up loads of dollars just to match the $24.9 million salary Johnson, who is shooting 36 percent from the field and 31 percent from three, is owed this season.

The Nets aren't trying to take money that would stay on the books beyond this year, either, which would make trading Johnson even tougher. But that doesn't mean he'll still be a Net come the end of the end of the season.

From Mitch Lawrence of Sporting News:

GM Billy King is conceding privately what we all know: The Nets aren’t making the playoffs. So it’s time to start breaking up the team. So far, Charlotte has called to try to deal for Bojan Bogdanovic, the team’s top 3-point marksman, Sporting News has learned. If Joe Johnson doesn’t get moved at the deadline, he’s seen as a prime candidate for a buyout.

There are a few ways a buyout could go down, but two scenarios seem most likely, both of which would only happen after the trade deadline passes, as Lawrence mentions:

1. If Johnson agrees to give back all or nearly all the money he is owed for the remainder of the year, so the Nets can convince themselves that getting worse is worth it merely to save a little dough.

2. If the Nets feel bad for Johnson, who is well-respected in the organization and has been a good citizen/teammate/person throughout all the losing, and basically agree to a good-karma buyout, which would allow J.J. to go to a contender.

Other than that, why should the Nets let him go for nothing? Brooklyn is still better with Johnson on the floor, and it's not like he's blocking much young talent from playing. Without a pick for the upcoming draft, the Nets have no incentive to tank, not even for a second-rounder, given that the Clippers will almost certainly capitalize on a second-round pick swap with them this June.

Still, a buyout is comprehensible if only for the reasons above, and if it does happen, certainly keep an eye on those Clippers, who love to sign veteran buyout candidates come late February and early March.

 

[gourimoko]

I'm really liking what I'm seeing from JR Smith and Iman Shumpert. Both guys are contributing well and should have ample time on the floor. This really negates the need for Johnson at the 2.

With that said though, I wouldn't mind Joe Johnson as a backup 3 to supplement James. On his worst day he's a lateral replacement for Richard Jefferson, whose defense has been atrocious.

I'm in no way advocating for a trade, only for a vet min pickup after he were bought out. I think Johnson still has a bit left in the tank, and could provide valuable minutes at the 3, and give us some size at the 2, if necessary, against slower lineups.

 

[Walter White]

I'm in no way advocating for a trade, only for a vet min pickup after he were bought out. I think Johnson still has a bit left in the tank, and could provide valuable minutes at the 3, and give us some size at the 2, if necessary, against slower lineups.

Exactly. That would be perfect if it was a buyout. And odds are at least one of RJ or James Jones might not be healthy or productive come playoff time. And god forbid anymore injuries to anyone else. Another wing would be a great pickup. LeBron or JJ could be either at the 3 and 4 positions and give us more flexibility for small ball.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Agreed on a healthy Shumpert and Smith negating the need, but how often has Shumpert been healthy? Golden State has the luxury of sitting Barbosa and Rush most of last year. Kerr only broke Barbosa out when needed last season, and he looked like he was still in his late 20s without a knee brace. This year Walton broke the glass on Rush and he looks like he did three years ago. There is definitely room for a better SF on this bench.

 

[David.]

You don't get playing time on this team without making a contribution on both ends of the floor.

I don't Even want to experiment with this.