John Beilein hired as Coach

Grade the coaching hire

  • A+

    Votes: 13 13.0%
  • A

    Votes: 51 51.0%
  • B

    Votes: 30 30.0%
  • C

    Votes: 4 4.0%
  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • Total voters
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RDriesen

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It's a challenge to the org to put their $ where their mouth is and pick a high upside player at 5 that needs developing not a high floor no ceiling role player like Hunter who Beilein loves because he is a elite defender that can stand in the corner and shoot set shots at a high % if he only takes 2 a game.
I have no problem with the hire at all, if he does what they brought him in to do and don't cave to his desire for more nba ready players to fit his system. this is what the later 1sts and acquired 2nds are for..
Where have you read that? When has he said that?
 

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Where have you read that? When has he said that?
Nowhere. Don't know.
it has been mentioned on here by a few people that seem knowledgeable that he is high on Hunter who is more nba ready defensively than any other option so common sense suggests that is his desire for win now pieces
 

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Nowhere. Don't know.
it has been mentioned on here by a few people that seem knowledgeable that he is high on Hunter who is more nba ready defensively than any other option so common sense suggests that is his desire for win now pieces
There’s no doubt he’s more ready now. But he also has the least upside and the Cavs aren’t in win now mode. We need another top pick or two to get some star power.
 

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There’s no doubt he’s more ready now. But he also has the least upside and the Cavs aren’t in win now mode. We need another top pick or two to get some star power.
that is my point he is a win now role player for a playoff team with no upside and if Beilein is high on him it means Beilein is not interested in developing higher ceiling players that will be better than Hunter in a couple years when the Cavs are farther along in the rebuild.
 

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I agree, Hunter probably does not have the "upside" that the Cavs want with their fifth overall pick. They are too many years away from having a winning roster. Two points, though:

1) Hunter projects to be a high-level role player at the most important position in the sport. So while we may not want him at 5, I imagine certain teams that are closer to the back of the lottery rate him higher.

2) For the Cavs, the benefit of Hunter is twofold. First, if they somehow build a team that can win in the next year or two, Hunter will help. Second, and more importantly, his early impact in his first year or two will result in Hunter having moderately high trade value (see Larry Nance Jr.). So, if some part of the rebuild turns out poorly, you can flip Hunter to get back nice value.
 

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How long before Beilein loses the locker room with his demands on grit and pace?

I guess the vets will be on their way out anyway by the time mutiny happens
 

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How long before Beilein loses the locker room with his demands on grit and pace?

I guess the vets will be on their way out anyway by the time mutiny happens
We still have JR to trade this month
And tt clarkson delly henson to trade by the deadline. Lots of assets coming back
This team will be very young. They chose wisely in the coach
 

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I still want a consistent answer on how he's a great developmental coach.

I look at it two ways. He's a system coach who's system made players look better than they were (Stauskas) or he's a developmental coach that really teaches players to get better.

When I see that the majority of his players haven't panned out in the league, that leads me towards the belief he's a system's coach that doesn't actually develop players, he just develops them to fit a specific role.
 

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I still want a consistent answer on how he's a great developmental coach.

I look at it two ways. He's a system coach who's system made players look better than they were (Stauskas) or he's a developmental coach that really teaches players to get better.

When I see that the majority of his players haven't panned out in the league, that leads me towards the belief he's a system's coach that doesn't actually develop players, he just develops them to fit a specific role.
The fact that he even got a bunch of 3 stars and unranked recruits to the next level at all is impressive.
 

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A good developmental coach uses systems and concepts that make a team work as a team. The coach as a system that teaches as the coach does which revolves around both the system and fundamentals.

Too often in today's game it's all about having that one star and everything revolves around that person or persons. Phil Jackson loved the Princeton offense but he wasn't a developmental coach as much so it worked only with excellent players.

That's how I see our coach. He made a lot of lemonade out of what he was working with.
 

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I still want a consistent answer on how he's a great developmental coach.

I look at it two ways. He's a system coach who's system made players look better than they were (Stauskas) or he's a developmental coach that really teaches players to get better.

When I see that the majority of his players haven't panned out in the league, that leads me towards the belief he's a system's coach that doesn't actually develop players, he just develops them to fit a specific role.
There also may be a world where he is a good developmental coach to a point... like maybe he makes good college players look like great college players, but struggles to develop payers to the point where they can play in the NBA.

I have *never* been a fan of system coaches. It's actually why I liked Ty Lue the first year-and-a-half and disliked Blatt. With Lue, our offense and defensive strategies changed every round. Blatt, meanwhile, struggled to get the players to buy into his system. Obviously Lue got worse, but unless your Pop or have Steph Curry, there are basically no successful system coaches in the NBA.

I like Beilein's philosophy and I think he's analytics friendly. That's why I support the hire. But I would be lying if I said I had no concerns. He definitely has a "system" and he does not produce a lot of producing NBA players. I am honestly interested to see how this works.

And, just to be clear, "ball movement" or "motion offenses" are totally different than being a "system coach."
 

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I want to try a system coach, if the system works it makes recruiting easy as you can start going fit rather than try get a super team and for a smaller market team that is huge... obviously its the NBA and you need some top end talent and we will get that through the draft like we just did if we make good selections

I am sick of whatever fucking crap Lue and Drew had us going with, it was embarrassing seeing teams go with a zone and our players having no clue what to do
 

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Coaching staff still shows James Posey and Michael Longabardi? What day do their contracts officially expire? Cause I still don't think their has been a definitive answer on if they will or will not be back.
 

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Coaching staff still shows James Posey and Michael Longabardi? What day do their contracts officially expire? Cause I still don't think their has been a definitive answer on if they will or will not be back.
I believe Juice put that one to bed.. He initially posted that those guys would not be back, and then after a misleading article came out, he reconfirmed that Longabardi and Posey are gone. Sounds like they're building a completely new staff around Beilein and Bickerstaff, and still making hires probably.
 
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