John Beilein: Continuing his education

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Yep. And hopefully Beilein will find a couple bench lineups that don't just booked points.

They really need a proper Center off the bench. It's not Nance. Henson very briefly did provide the rim protection that could help the second unit. Not sure Zizic will fit either in that role, though he may work if he plays around the rim like Tristan has this year so far. Really need to figure out the long term play at Center, though signing Tristan to an extension is not a bad idea and would give them time to try to develop someone.

 

[Jordan]

I ran a bunch of stats on NBAwowy... some interesting findings.

-Jordan Clarkson and Delly have actually been *okay* playing together this year (+0.7/100 possessions). The problem is the two are terrible when playing with Sexton and Garland.

-With Clarkson and Delly on the court, but Sexton and Garland off, the Cavs are scoring 0.986 points per possession. That's terrible.

-When Sexton and Garland are on the court, but Clarkson and Delly are off, the Cavs are averaging 1.09 points per possession and allowing 1.08. That means that the Cavs are averaging nearly eleven points more per 100 possessions with their starting guards than bench.

My bigger point is that Clarkson and Delly detract from Sexton and Garland's ability to develop. It's time to try and trade both Clarkson and Delly, but if they can't by the deadline, neither guard should play important minutes. Frankly, I think it is unfortunate both guys are getting minutes now, but the team just does not have much choice.

 

[AllforOne]

My bigger point is that Clarkson and Delly detract from Sexton and Garland's ability to develop. It's time to try and trade both Clarkson and Delly, but if they can't by the deadline, neither guard should play important minutes. Frankly, I think it is unfortunate both guys are getting minutes now, but the team just does not have much choice.

I'd continue to give Clarkson minutes for the next few weeks, in hopes of dealing him to a team that actually wants him (some folks may still be swayed by his raw scoring stats). I'd like to see an early-season trade, kind of like what the Cavs did with Korver and Hill last season. Beyond that (and especially as Windler returns to health and takes some of the swingman minutes), Clarkson may just have to get more used to the feel of the bench.

Delly has no valuable except as an expiring, so no need to "showcase" him. He's been hot garbage this year. It's sad, because my brain is always going to remember him as the folk hero who somehow helped the Cavs pull out games 2 and 3 in the 2015 Finals (and then went to the hospital for fluids). I'd love to see him stay around the team, because I do think he has value as an end-of-the-bench veteran/culture guy/player to reinforce the coaches' messages ... but it's gonna have to be at about a quarter of his current salary.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

I ran a bunch of stats on NBAwowy... some interesting findings.

-Jordan Clarkson and Delly have actually been *okay* playing together this year (+0.7/100 possessions). The problem is the two are terrible when playing with Sexton and Garland.

-With Clarkson and Delly on the court, but Sexton and Garland off, the Cavs are scoring 0.986 points per possession. That's terrible.

-When Sexton and Garland are on the court, but Clarkson and Delly are off, the Cavs are averaging 1.09 points per possession and allowing 1.08. That means that the Cavs are averaging nearly eleven points more per 100 possessions with their starting guards than bench.

My bigger point is that Clarkson and Delly detract from Sexton and Garland's ability to develop. It's time to try and trade both Clarkson and Delly, but if they can't by the deadline, neither guard should play important minutes. Frankly, I think it is unfortunate both guys are getting minutes now, but the team just does not have much choice.

Honestly?

We can trade Clarkson and bench Delly.

Then I'd sub Cedi fairly early to run the 2nd unit with Porter Jr as the main PnR Ball Handlers. Yes, a big lineup that will be good defensively in a switching scheme with Nance. In limited minutes. I think Cedi can be the primary ball handler in simple pick and roll actions and drive and kick, and without Clarkson and Delly hogging the ball, i'd try to develop Porter as a PnR Ball Handler and passer, instead of running isolations. That would keep him engaged, and that would make him much better player in the long run, and I think he has shown good pace and touch on his passing as well as willingness; he just needs more passing opportunities. You also add Windler on the wings and that can become interesting.

Or we can just sub out Garland to run the 2nd unit. I just think that making Porter a decision maker in the PnR is the better developmental path. And switching scheme with such a big, mobile lineup is always good against bench units who struggle to score in iso and are mostly not really big inside.

 

[cabs]

My body is ready for some Windler spacing

 

[PIP]

Really an advocate for the Browns to go get Bobby Bowden after this JB success

 

[Cavatt]

This old man is one bad dude

 

[1B4IGO]

This old man is one bad dude

As another old man I approve of this message.

 

[rastamon87]

Is is only me? When peopke say JB, my brain first tell me its Bickerstaff before I figure people are talking about Beilein, lol.... Was getting confused for a while why some people are blaming JB for Garland's lack of offensive success

 

[Cavatt]

Is is only me? When peopke say JB, my brain first tell me its Bickerstaff before I figure people are talking about Beilein, lol.... Was getting confused for a while why some people are blaming JB for Garland's lack of offensive success

Yep. You are supposed to call an older gent like Beilein just "Coach". "Dad" is also acceptable.

 

[PIP]

No complaints ! No delusions.

I’m really enjoying my coach and how the players are responding...

Kudos to all parties

 

[Cassity14]

Really missed an opportunity by not calling timeout before TT Shaqted a fool in the fourth quarter. He had two available.

Love what he's done to the team and culture, but I think if he takes a timeout there as opposed to later on, the Cavs win tonight.

 

[Rich]

Really missed an opportunity by not calling timeout before TT Shaqted a fool in the fourth quarter. He had two available.

Love what he's done to the team and culture, but I think if he takes a timeout there as opposed to later on, the Cavs win tonight.

Man TT is like a 9 year vet and he had guys WIDE open. I just don't think a coach should be in the mindset to use a timeout to save a vet from himself. One thing if TT was surrounded by two, three guys. But he had all the time in the world to just..pass the ball. And he didn't want to. And honestly, we needed those timeouts at the end.

A coach needs to save players from themselves but there are sometimes where its so out of the blue that you can't possibly expect it. I mean..he shot from half-court with 6 seconds left. I dunno how you foresee that happening.

 

[Cassity14]

Man TT is like a 9 year vet and he had guys WIDE open. I just don't think a coach should be in the mindset to use a timeout to save a vet from himself. One thing if TT was surrounded by two, three guys. But he had all the time in the world to just..pass the ball. And he didn't want to. And honestly, we needed those timeouts at the end.

A coach needs to save players from themselves but there are sometimes where its so out of the blue that you can't possibly expect it. I mean..he shot from half-court with 6 seconds left. I dunno how you foresee that happening.

When he picked up the ball, fully in the backcourt, there were 11 seconds.

As soon as Philly came to pressure back there, I'd call time out. You need a good look there to seal the game, imo.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Man TT is like a 9 year vet and he had guys WIDE open. I just don't think a coach should be in the mindset to use a timeout to save a vet from himself. One thing if TT was surrounded by two, three guys. But he had all the time in the world to just..pass the ball. And he didn't want to.

That whole play was pretty chaotic, and Tristan had to go way into the backcourt to retrieve the ball. He then had to dribble the ball up himself against an aggressive Simmons, and that's something he never really does. My point is that he does that so rarely (maybe even never), that he probably doesn't have a good internal clock for it. My guess is that between getting the ball and trying to bring it back up against Simmons' defense, TT probably thought the shot clock was about to go off and that he needed to fire something off.

He was obviously wrong, but I get why it happened.