John Beilein: Continuing his education

[Derek]

It is and for the record, I'm not against Beilein. I think he is prioritizing teaching the young guys over winning which should be the goal of the organization. I was responding to @Cavatt about how Jackie MacMullan was saying Beiilein was unprepared and how the vets don't like him. It's not like this is the only reporter who has said this. Even Billups and Perkins said on the Jump that they don't think he was a good hire and they don't think he is a NBA head coach.

I do think the vets like Love don't see Beilein turning the switch and going into win mode even if we win the lottery and get the best player in the draft. Which is why they want out and don't want to waste the limited years they have left in their career being on this team.

I thought that after 3 good drafts that the Cavs might be able to try to compete but now with Beilein's style of developing guys and the vets wanting out, I think we are at least 2 more season away from that.

Are we sure we've even had one good draft yet?

 

[inliner311]

Are we sure we've even had one good draft yet?

We won't know that for a couple years. I think Garland and KPJ look like a good draft. We will see with Windler. I also think if the organization trusts Beilein and stay the course with Sexton, Beilein will make him into a good player.

After how the team played in the second half of last season, I thought they would have to limit Love and TT again so they won't have to risk the pick conveying. The vet players might have thought the same thing and thought if they got through this season, they could compete next season.

 

[Derek]

We won't know that for a couple years. I think Garland and KPJ look like a good draft. We will see with Windler. I also think if the organization trusts Beilein and stay the course with Sexton, Beilein will make him into a good player.

After how the team played in the second half of last season, I thought they would have to limit Love and TT again so they won't have to risk the pick conveying. The vet players might have thought the same thing and thought if they got through this season, they could compete next season.

I can't believe that anybody reasonably thought that the Cavs would have to limit Love and TT to keep their pick.

Them going 7-17 after the AS break and finishing the season on a 10 game losing streak really had you thinking they'd be "too good" this year?

 

[inliner311]

I can't believe that anybody reasonably thought that the Cavs would have to limit Love and TT to keep their pick.

Them going 7-17 after the AS break and finishing the season on a 10 game losing streak really had you thinking they'd be "too good" this year?

By not risking the pick I'm saying they would want to stay in the bottom 6. I could have seen them go into that bottom 7-9 range if they were too good. With the new lotto odds and extra slot, that would risk the pick conveying. They are clearly alot worse than that and that's got to sting for the vet players.

You just have to read what Frye said on Twitter a couple days ago about what he thought about the team at the start of last season with Lue. He still believes they could have competed. It wouldn't be crazy to think that Love, TT, and the other vets could think that they could push this team beyond the bottom 6.

Right now if they had 2 more wins they could be outside the bottom 6 and 3 or 4 more wins would have them outside of the bottom 10 in the 9th seed in the east. We had 4 loses this season that were less than a possession so it's not that far fetched.

 

[Cavatt]

I can't believe that anybody reasonably thought that the Cavs would have to limit Love and TT to keep their pick.

Them going 7-17 after the AS break and finishing the season on a 10 game losing streak really had you thinking they'd be "too good" this year?

Playing pretty well right now. I wouldn't be surprised at quite a few wins in the next month. If they keep Sexton in check and keep playing through Garland, they are going to win some games.

Slots 8, 9 and 10 aren't really that safe either.

Lakers only lost 7 games. Losing to them means less than nothing everyone does. Record against bottom feeders is good and there are a ton of bottom feeders on the upcoming schedule.

 

[Derek]

By not risking the pick I'm saying they would want to stay in the bottom 6. I could have seen them go into that bottom 7-9 range if they were too good. With the new lotto odds and extra slot, that would risk the pick conveying. They are clearly alot worse than that and that's got to sting for the vet players.

You just have to read what Frye said on Twitter a couple days ago about what he thought about the team at the start of last season with Lue. He still believes they could have competed. It wouldn't be crazy to think that Love, TT, and the other vets could think that they could push this team beyond the bottom 6.

Right now if they had 2 more wins they could be outside the bottom 6 and 3 or 4 more wins would have them outside of the bottom 10 in the 9th seed in the east. We had 4 loses this season that were less than a possession so it's not that far fetched.

It's not nearly as much of a risk in that 7-9 range as you're making it out to be. Less than half a percent change COMBINED between the 7 and 8 spots, and just a little over 3% in the 9 spot.

And four close losses? Come on, every team has close losses. The Hawks have a half dozen and just got John Collins back. I could see them passing us.

Playing pretty well right now. I wouldn't be surprised at quite a few wins in the next month. If they keep Sexton in check and keep playing through Garland, they are going to win some games.

Slots 8, 9 and 10 aren't really that safe either.

Lakers only lost 7 games. Losing to them means less than nothing everyone does. Record against bottom feeders is good and there are a ton of bottom feeders on the upcoming schedule.

8 and 9 are pretty safe. 9 means just under a 97% chance we keep our pick. 8 is over 99.6%.

Plus, we're currently the 4th worst team in the NBA. I'll bet the Knicks pass us before we pass anyone else, which would make us the 3rd worst. We'd have to play close to .500 ball the rest of the way in order to put our pick at risk, and I don't think we're in any danger of that happening.

We're not playing that well. Sure, we've shown signs of growth, which is great, but we're still 3-7 in our last 10 with home losses to Charlotte, Detroit, and Minnesota.

 

[Cavatt]

It's not nearly as much of a risk in that 7-9 range as you're making it out to be. Less than half a percent change COMBINED between the 7 and 8 spots, and just a little over 3% in the 9 spot.

And four close losses? Come on, every team has close losses. The Hawks have a half dozen and just got John Collins back. I could see them passing us.

8 and 9 are pretty safe. 9 means just under a 97% chance we keep our pick. 8 is over 99.6%.

Plus, we're currently the 4th worst team in the NBA. I'll bet the Knicks pass us before we pass anyone else, which would make us the 3rd worst. We'd have to play close to .500 ball the rest of the way in order to put our pick at risk, and I don't think we're in any danger of that happening.

We're not playing that well. Sure, we've shown signs of growth, which is great, but we're still 3-7 in our last 10 with home losses to Charlotte, Detroit, and Minnesota.

2 games decided at the buzzer and the other one without Klove. Ok though Good idea to start your arbitrary sampling immediately after a 3 game streak. 3-7 Doesn't sound as good as 6-7 or even 6-9 in the last 15

 

[Derek]

2 games decided at the buzzer and the other one without Klove. Ok though Good idea to start your arbitrary sampling immediately after a 3 game streak. 3-7 Doesn't sound as good as 6-7 or even 6-9 in the last 15

Arbitrary? Last 10 games is pretty typical to cite when talking about how a team is playing. Extending to 13 or 15 is even more arbitrary.

Regardless, how’s 12-28 over the last 40 games sound?

 

[Cavatt]

Arbitrary? Last 10 games is pretty typical to cite when talking about how a team is playing. Extending to 13 or 15 is even more arbitrary.

Regardless, how’s 12-28 over the last 40 games sound?

Yeah I mean contextually it matters that half the wins came in the last 15 games when they have played 40. That's why my grouping isn't arbitrary and your 3-7 is. That's improvement. Contextually it matters that they had the 3rd Hardest schedule to start the season through the game today, and it is 2nd easiest from here on out.

 

[Rich]

Be mad at Gilbert and his puppet Koby. They’re the reason we’re getting blown out. Not beilein. Pop couldn’t win with this garbage.

You know how the draft lottery works?

Wait till you guys get a load of these scores once TT and Love are gone.

 

[Derek]

Yeah I mean contextually it matters that half the wins came in the last 15 games when they have played 40. That's why my grouping isn't arbitrary and your 3-7 is. That's improvement. Contextually it matters that they had the 3rd Hardest schedule to start the season through the game today, and it is 2nd easiest from here on out.

To be fair, last 10 is more recent than last 15 and definitely matters regarding how they’ve played lately.

I honestly can’t believe there are still people worried about losing our draft pick.

We are the least talented team in the NBA or at the very least right there in the conversation. It’ll take 30+ wins to put our pick at risk and I don’t see us getting there or really anywhere close.

 

[Rich]

To be fair, last 10 is more recent than last 15 and definitely matters regarding how they’ve played lately.

I honestly can’t believe there are still people worried about losing our draft pick.

We are the least talented team in the NBA or at the very least right there in the conversation. It’ll take 30+ wins to put our pick at risk and I don’t see us getting there or really anywhere close.

Ehhhhhhh right now 10th has 15 wins. A whole 3 more wins that the Cavs and that's w/ Kevin Love pouting most of the time. Now that he's not pouting? Yea...they need to trade these guys man, because the schedule, after tonight, is about to get way, way, way easier. NO reason to even make it close.

Also, we have more talent than this particular Golden State unit. No question.

EDIT: Right now Sacramento sits with the 10th worst record. They are on pace for just over 30 wins. 31 wins would beat them out.

Cavs could definitely threaten that with the schedule getting easier, Garland playing better, and Love and Thompson trying desperately to play their way off the team.

NOw, they'll get traded and that'll end it but this is more of a "if the Cavs didn't trade Love and Thompson" hypothetical.

 

[Cavatt]

Ehhhhhhh right now 10th has 15 wins. A whole 3 more wins that the Cavs and that's w/ Kevin Love pouting most of the time. Now that he's not pouting? Yea...they need to trade these guys man, because the schedule, after tonight, is about to get way, way, way easier. NO reason to even make it close.

Also, we have more talent than this particular Golden State unit. No question.

EDIT: Right now Sacramento sits with the 10th worst record. They are on pace for just over 30 wins. 31 wins would beat them out.

Cavs could definitely threaten that with the schedule getting easier, Garland playing better, and Love and Thompson trying desperately to play their way off the team.

NOw, they'll get traded and that'll end it but this is more of a "if the Cavs didn't trade Love and Thompson" hypothetical.

Yes we have an easier schedule than almost any other team

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

He might be a good teacher.
But the guy is an ABYSMAL in game coach right now. Like wow. Terrible with timeouts, substitutions, everything. Cavs lost the game because of his incompetence.

 

[cabs]

He might be a good teacher.
But the guy is an ABYSMAL in game coach right now. Like wow. Terrible with timeouts, substitutions, everything. Cavs lost the game because of his incompetence.

Disagree completely, game was lost because they couldn’t stop turning the ball over or defend. Garland a big culprit.