Jose Ramirez's Future IS Cleveland

[Gson]

I'll tell you what. I'll send JRam to the Mets for Mauricio, McCann, McNeil, Vientos, and Alonso. I would then flip Mauricio, Jones, Plesac, and Gimenez to Baltimore for Mullins and Means. Then sign Conforto. In the end I would have a rotation of Bieber, Means, Quantrill, Civale, and McKenzie along with an OF consistenting of Conforto, Straw, and Mullins. The IF would be Vientos at 3B, Rosario at SS(for now), Alonso at 1B, McCann at C, and McNeil at 2B.

Don't worry Coach, I already checked the values at BTV. LOL!

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[Bkerr02]

Rumor going around Jose agreed to a 4 year extension. Nothing official yet

 

[CATS44]

Rumor going around Jose agreed to a 4 year extension. Nothing official yet

One rumor I'd like to see come true.

It would mean that endless posts of trade proposals involving Jose would cease for several years....lol.

 

[mopete12]

Rumor going around Jose agreed to a 4 year extension. Nothing official yet

Unfortunately a random person posting jokes on Twitter is not a “rumor”.

 

[sportscoach]

Rumor going around Jose agreed to a 4 year extension. Nothing official yet

Unfortunately a random person posting jokes on Twitter is not a “rumor”.

Any link to the rumors?

 

[Gson]

One rumor I'd like to see come true.

It would mean that endless posts of trade proposals involving Jose would cease for several years....lol.

Let the Bieber Trade Proposals Begin !!!

 

[CDAV45]

One rumor I'd like to see come true.

It would mean that endless posts of trade proposals involving Jose would cease for several years....lol.

It would? What would we discuss so adamantly after that? Point is, it's the environment for which we follow and we should all understand that. Thank God we can't afford to sign expensive, longterm contracts, outside of CF we have a shit outfield, the lineup is shallow and ineffective, and the most important factor is that they've been trading a lot of good players in recent years. We can talk about Jose until we're blue in the face because he is one of the very best players in the game, but he himself didn't put butts in the seats or even get us to .500. Please don't mistake this as me advocating trading him. Just stating that I understand the concept behind the idea.

I will say this. If an extension cannot be reached before the 22 season starts, I start seriously considering offers. No sense in letting themselves get backed into a corner. Maybe this will be an active offseason and Jose gets surrounded by some damn good players. That's the hope. The reality is that it's not likely to happen so...........

 

[Gson]

While the Jose Ramirez sentiment has been stated several times by several people in several different ways.. this comment pretty much covers the intent:

En espanol...

"...“This is definitely a [club] that I could see myself wanting to stay in. These guys are amazing,” he said. “This is a World Series [club], and I would love to hopefully see the opportunity to be here....”

..but, it's not just Jose (and/or his representation) saying it.. This particular comment was made by a guy who has spent a total of 70 days with his current club..

 

[CATS44]

Even if there is no extension, I would not look to trade Jose.

The likelihood that he could be replaced with similar elite production is low. The likelihood that his production could be replaced by spending $11-13 mil is nil.

The idea is to win ball games, not to collect prospects. Nobody gives us a better chance than Jose.

If we didn't have Jose, but managed to contend until the deadline, the FO would be looking to trade prospects in order to upgrade for the stretch run. There is nobody reasonably available that would be as good of an addition as Jose....nor as inexpensive. And we already have him.

When it comes to winning ball games, prospects mean nothing. Potential means nothing. Production and leadership are the only things that matter.

Nobody provides both better than Jose.

The pitching is in place for nearly as far forward as we can seen. Its time to stop looking ahead to 2024-2025-2026...and start concentrating on the next two years.

 

[biggie4]

You talking Rosario, Geronimo?

 

[DCTribefan]

While the Jose Ramirez sentiment has been stated several times by several people in several different ways.. this comment pretty much covers the intent:

En espanol...

"...“This is definitely a [club] that I could see myself wanting to stay in. These guys are amazing,” he said. “This is a World Series [club], and I would love to hopefully see the opportunity to be here....”

..but, it's not just Jose (and/or his representation) saying it.. This particular comment was made by a guy who has spent a total of 70 days with his current club..

What is the date of this quote? Pre-pandemic?

 

[Alabuckeye]

probably Frankie was the author of that quote

 

[NorthCoastBias]

Great piece about this very subject by Zack Meisel in The Athletic this morning:

The ins and outs of a potential José Ramírez contract extension with the Cleveland Guardians

Cleveland's front office and Ramírez's camp will likely discuss a long-term deal this offseason. Can they find middle ground?

theathletic.com

Article is paywalled, but here are a couple key excerpts:

The two sides are expected to discuss another extension at some point before the start of next season. These conversations typically take place early in spring training. Ramírez would prefer to remain in Cleveland for the rest of his career, sources say, and the feeling is mutual within the front office, but he’ll need a new contract for that to happen, and such a deal would cost Cleveland far more than the franchise has ever spent on a player. As always, it’ll boil down to dollars and sense.

This won’t be another team-friendly agreement that again prompts people to anoint Ramírez as the league’s greatest bargain. Ramírez wants a signature deal, one that grounds him in one place for the balance of his career, and for market value. Since he stands two years from free agency, he doesn’t possess all of the leverage, but the financial security he gained from the first extension puts him in a much stronger position.

Contract comparisons​

Ten days before the 2018 season opener, the Astros and Jose Altuve agreed on a seven-year, $163.5 million contract, the largest in Houston history. They came to terms about seven weeks before his 28th birthday.

Like Ramírez, Altuve signed a team-friendly deal early in his big-league tenure, before he emerged as an MVP candidate and perennial All-Star. So, his new deal in 2018 essentially just tacked five years and $151 million onto the two bargain-priced years he had remaining on his original contract. Those five years cover his age-30 to age-34 seasons.

Altuve, 2016-21 seasons: .878 OPS, 28.1 fWAR
Ramírez, 2016-21 seasons: .895 OPS, 32.7 fWAR

Another possible Ramírez comparison would be Christian Yelich, who signed an extension with the Brewers in March 2020 that added seven years to his two years of team control. In all, he’ll earn at least $215 million over nine years, with some of that money deferred. His 2020 and ’21 salaries, stemming from a prior extension signed five years earlier, remained intact. He’ll earn $12.5 million and $14 million the next two years, nearly identical to the price of Ramírez’s upcoming club options.

Yelich will receive $26 million per year from 2022 to 2028, with a $20 million mutual option for ’29 (his age-37 season) or a $6.5 million buyout. Yelich’s deal is similar to Altuve’s in terms of average annual value. He also struck his agreement after authoring a pair of MVP-worthy seasons, which probably helped him pry some extra pennies from the Brewers’ pockets.

Yelich in 2018: .326/.402/.598 slash line, 36 home runs, 7.7 fWAR, first in NL MVP voting
Yelich in 2019: .329/.429/.671 slash line, 44 home runs, 7.8 fWAR, second in NL MVP voting

 

[avs2000]

Great piece about this very subject by Zack Meisel in The Athletic this morning:

The ins and outs of a potential José Ramírez contract extension with the Cleveland Guardians

Cleveland's front office and Ramírez's camp will likely discuss a long-term deal this offseason. Can they find middle ground?

theathletic.com

Article is paywalled, but here are a couple key excerpts:

Love Jose, but this is not a franchise that can give out 7 year 170 million dollar contracts. Lindors deal will hamper the mets for a decade...but they can afford the mistake. A large deal with Ramirez would mean not spending elsewhere. I look for him to be moved after next season

 

[Gson]

Great piece about this very subject by Zack Meisel in The Athletic this morning:

The ins and outs of a potential José Ramírez contract extension with the Cleveland Guardians

Cleveland's front office and Ramírez's camp will likely discuss a long-term deal this offseason. Can they find middle ground?

theathletic.com

Article is paywalled, but here are a couple key excerpts:

Thanks for posting this... the information is eye opening..

So, 5 years @ $ 30 MM/yr added to his current outstanding contract guarantee o f $ 26 MM is the number. This will match Altuve's #'s and brings the contract value in at $ 176 MM. Add $ 6.5 MM buy out for the sixth year and it's $ 182.5 MM. Thus, JRam's AAV for the 7 coming years would be $ 26 MM/year.. Because salaries climb as time goes by.. the Guardians can look at adding another 10 % making JRam;s AAV approach $ 29.6 MM/year or roughly 1 dollar in 3 for every dollar spent on salary.

While not all the eggs in one basket.. it is quite a bit Does this hamstring the club for future extensions?.. The only answer to that is yes.. Emotionally speaking.. JRam deserves it.. When considering fiscal sanity, he'd be the only one on the team that would deserve it.. but it's still loooney tunes..

Thoughts?..