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Jose Ramirez's Future IS Cleveland

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It's behind a paywall so I cant see it but thank you for the link. Really hope they figure something out. It'd be nice to keep a generational talent in Cleveland for once.
 
Per MLBtraderumors.com


“There has been no movement to date” on a contract extension between Jose Ramirezand the Guardians, Paul Hoynes of The Cleveland Plain Dealer writes. Ramirez is controlled via club option for both the 2022 and 2023 seasons, and the Guardians are sure to be exercising the 2022 option (worth $11MM) on the star third baseman in a matter of days. While extension talks usually take place later in the offseason, Ramirez’s long-term future has been a topic of conversation, considering how Cleveland’s penchant for trading star players before they become too expensive for the team’s limited payroll.

Previous negotiations between the player and the team didn’t go anywhere last spring, though Ramirez has said on multiple occasions that he would like to remain in Cleveland. Since the Guardians technically don’t have any salary committed for the 2022 season and beyond, there would appear to be payroll space to afford a Ramirez extension, even if a salary that would likely fall in the $25-$30MM average annual value range would take up a big chunk of the budget. As to whether or not Ramirez could be a trade candidate this winter, the Guardians have tended to deal players when they’ve been a bit closer to free agency than two years, plus Cleveland does plan to contend next year.
 
DCTribefan said:
Per MLBtraderumors.com


“There has been no movement to date” on a contract extension between Jose Ramirezand the Guardians, Paul Hoynes of The Cleveland Plain Dealer writes. Ramirez is controlled via club option for both the 2022 and 2023 seasons, and the Guardians are sure to be exercising the 2022 option (worth $11MM) on the star third baseman in a matter of days. While extension talks usually take place later in the offseason, Ramirez’s long-term future has been a topic of conversation, considering how Cleveland’s penchant for trading star players before they become too expensive for the team’s limited payroll.

Previous negotiations between the player and the team didn’t go anywhere last spring, though Ramirez has said on multiple occasions that he would like to remain in Cleveland. Since the Guardians technically don’t have any salary committed for the 2022 season and beyond, there would appear to be payroll space to afford a Ramirez extension, even if a salary that would likely fall in the $25-$30MM average annual value range would take up a big chunk of the budget. As to whether or not Ramirez could be a trade candidate this winter, the Guardians have tended to deal players when they’ve been a bit closer to free agency than two years, plus Cleveland does plan to contend next year.
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I still expect him to be extended or traded before the season. Almost every team plans to contend but they still figure to finish well behind the White Sox so "contending" would be a one game playoff to survive as a likely best case scenario.
 
CalBuckeyeRob said:
I still expect him to be extended or traded before the season. Almost every team plans to contend but they still figure to finish well behind the White Sox so "contending" would be a one game playoff to survive as a likely best case scenario.
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extended or not..

i'd still take the one game playoff.. even if the Guards finished in second place in that game...
 
DCTribefan said:
Per MLBtraderumors.com


“There has been no movement to date” on a contract extension between Jose Ramirezand the Guardians, Paul Hoynes of The Cleveland Plain Dealer writes. Ramirez is controlled via club option for both the 2022 and 2023 seasons, and the Guardians are sure to be exercising the 2022 option (worth $11MM) on the star third baseman in a matter of days. While extension talks usually take place later in the offseason, Ramirez’s long-term future has been a topic of conversation, considering how Cleveland’s penchant for trading star players before they become too expensive for the team’s limited payroll.

Previous negotiations between the player and the team didn’t go anywhere last spring, though Ramirez has said on multiple occasions that he would like to remain in Cleveland. Since the Guardians technically don’t have any salary committed for the 2022 season and beyond, there would appear to be payroll space to afford a Ramirez extension, even if a salary that would likely fall in the $25-$30MM average annual value range would take up a big chunk of the budget. As to whether or not Ramirez could be a trade candidate this winter, the Guardians have tended to deal players when they’ve been a bit closer to free agency than two years, plus Cleveland does plan to contend next year.
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First off, I wouldn't give a bucket of piss for Hoynes opinion or anything MLBtraderumors has to say about the possibility of a Ramirez extension. I doubt there's any insider information there and probably stems from Hoynes speculation from interviews that give him no details. Just because they didn't reach an agreement at that time doesn't mean "previous negotiations between the player and the team didn't go anywhere last spring". I'd guess the groundwork was laid and the details are being hammered out now. How about the penchant for offering Lindor the largest contract in Cleveland history or the penchant for extending players like Kluber, Carrasco, and JRam?

Ultimately they may not reach a deal, but it's a little early to suggest that they won't and they should instead trade him. How about speculating that since they haven't traded JRam maybe negotiations are gaining ground? That wouldn't get as many clicks though.
 
CalBuckeyeRob said:
I still expect him to be extended or traded before the season. Almost every team plans to contend but they still figure to finish well behind the White Sox so "contending" would be a one game playoff to survive as a likely best case scenario.
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I disagree entirely with the idea that they still figure to finish well behind the White Sox. That will be determined by what they can accomplish this offseason. Since the offseason is less than 24 hrs old, I'd say it's a little too early to accurately say much.
 
CDAV45 said:
I disagree entirely with the idea that they still figure to finish well behind the White Sox. That will be determined by what they can accomplish this offseason. Since the offseason is less than 24 hrs old, I'd say it's a little too early to accurately say much.
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Whether you agree or not.. the CWSox finished waaaaaaaaaaaay ahead (13 games) of the Indians in 2021.. The Indians spent the entire season fighting to stay above the .500 level for the season.. The CWSox are, if anything, going to get batter in 2022 as their farm system continues to produce guys like Kopech and Cease.. with Stiever and Lambert coming on strongly for their pitching staff.. (btw.. it would be no surprise to see Kopech remain in the pen.. for a high leverage role).. and their kids gaining experience and the knowledge that they can compete..

Before going off the deep end about injuries.... everyone knows about injuries.. every team has them.. it's how each team DEALS with the injuries that defines where they'll finish.... The Indians started Logan Allen, Sam Hentges and Eli Morgan.. not exactly as great response...

So where will the CWSox finish?. right where they're at.. They have the financial resources to add one SP (to replace Keuchel, probably a trade) and one impact bat (2B Javier Baez?) to their lineup, pay for most of the $ 35 MM the CWSox will have to spend by dropping Kimbrel's non-pay out option.. The CWSox may become a juggernaut in the AL Central.. The CWSox are just a good team on both sides of the ball.. In 2022.. comparing them with the Guardians with their good pitching and marginal offense.. The only conclusion you can come to is.. "..not good enough.."

..but that's why they play the games.. to prove evaluations like the above..wrong.. but I don't think I'm that far off...

Thoughts?...
 
Gson said:
Whether you agree or not.. the CWSox finished waaaaaaaaaaaay ahead (13 games) of the Indians in 2021.. The Indians spent the entire season fighting to stay above the .500 level for the season.. The CWSox are, if anything, going to get batter in 2022 as their farm system continues to produce guys like Kopech and Cease.. with Stiever and Lambert coming on strongly for their pitching staff.. (btw.. it would be no surprise to see Kopech remain in the pen.. for a high leverage role).. and their kids gaining experience and the knowledge that they can compete..

Before going off the deep end about injuries.... everyone knows about injuries.. every team has them.. it's how each team DEALS with the injuries that defines where they'll finish.... The Indians started Logan Allen, Sam Hentges and Eli Morgan.. not exactly as great response...

So where will the CWSox finish?. right where they're at.. They have the financial resources to add one SP (to replace Keuchel, probably a trade) and one impact bat (2B Javier Baez?) to their lineup, pay for most of the $ 35 MM the CWSox will have to spend by dropping Kimbrel's non-pay out option.. The CWSox may become a juggernaut in the AL Central.. The CWSox are just a good team on both sides of the ball.. In 2022.. comparing them with the Guardians with their good pitching and marginal offense.. The only conclusion you can come to is.. "..not good enough.."

..but that's why they play the games.. to prove evaluations like the above..wrong.. but I don't think I'm that far off...

Thoughts?...
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All the Indians' eggs were in one basket and that bit them in the ass when Bieber, Civale, and Plesac went down with injuries. That likely isn't the case for the 22 season. If the rumors that they intend to add not 1 but 2 corner OFers are true and comes to fruition then we're looking at a totally different team. Bimbo suggested that there has been some smoke around the possibility of a Gomes return as well. The White Sox are a good team and the Guardians have positioned themselves to be a much improved team. We'll see what happens, but comparing the 21 Indians with the 22 Guardians is comparing apples to oranges so your reference to the 21 results mean very little IMO.

In the end you may be right Gson, but I need to see the changes to the Guardians roster before I say the White Sox are far superior to the Guardians.
 
CDAV45 said:
All the Indians' eggs were in one basket and that bit them in the ass when Bieber, Civale, and Plesac went down with injuries. That likely isn't the case for the 22 season. If the rumors that they intend to add not 1 but 2 corner OFers are true and comes to fruition then we're looking at a totally different team. Bimbo suggested that there has been some smoke around the possibility of a Gomes return as well. The White Sox are a good team and the Guardians have positioned themselves to be a much improved team. We'll see what happens, but comparing the 21 Indians with the 22 Guardians is comparing apples to oranges so your reference to the 21 results mean very little IMO.

In the end you may be right Gson, but I need to see the changes to the Guardians roster before I say the White Sox are far superior to the Guardians.
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But we did add a corner bat for 2021. His name was Eddie Rosario and he was awesome lol. I'm not prepared to concede anything to the ChiSox and think we are going to be more aggressive this off-season than in 2021.

We have holes and depending on players whose names we don't even know yet, is a bit scary.
 
Criznit said:
But we did add a corner bat for 2021. His name was Eddie Rosario and he was awesome lol. I'm not prepared to concede anything to the ChiSox and think we are going to be more aggressive this off-season than in 2021.

We have holes and depending on players whose names we don't even know yet, is a bit scary.
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Ehhh! This offseason is giving me a totally different vibe than the last one. I think the additions will be significant whoever they might be. I'm not worried at all, in fact I'm excited.
 
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CDAV45 said:
All the Indians' eggs were in one basket and that bit them in the ass when Bieber, Civale, and Plesac went down with injuries. That likely isn't the case for the 22 season. If the rumors that they intend to add not 1 but 2 corner OFers are true and comes to fruition then we're looking at a totally different team. Bimbo suggested that there has been some smoke around the possibility of a Gomes return as well. The White Sox are a good team and the Guardians have positioned themselves to be a much improved team. We'll see what happens, but comparing the 21 Indians with the 22 Guardians is comparing apples to oranges so your reference to the 21 results mean very little IMO.

In the end you may be right Gson, but I need to see the changes to the Guardians roster before I say the White Sox are far superior to the Guardians.
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The Indians/Guardians loss of the services of Bieber, Civale and Plesac, while clearly not helping the 2021 team.. opened the door to see what a guy like Eli Morgan could do.. what a guy like Sam Hentges couldn't do.. wouldn't matter what a guy like Logan S Allen will ever be able to do.. etc.. The evaluations of the players included what the Mariners have discovered... Jake Bauers is a toad...not a frog.. and he's never going to become a prince.. We discovered that Bobby Bradley, the annointed 1B for the coming season..is going to drill three dozen or more taters while maddenly striking out 200 times. His namesake, Bradley Zimmer.. is like Bobby.. streakiness with the lumber and superb defense... That's who they are.. A pair of power bats that produce runs.. in streaks.. Owen Miller, Ernie Clement and Yu Chang are quality utility players.. with only Yu showing, given more consistent play to the point of being a starter, he'll hit like an all star.. Amed Rosario was able to convincingly show that if you stick him at SS, he'll hit.. stick him anyplace else..and who knows.. and all places he's stuck at.. his glove work and arm are going to be an adventure.. Myles Straw.. stirs the drink.. he's a keeper.. More evaluations are the order of the day for the CleFO.. I'm certain they have their cut list for the Rule V in place.. (btw.. I stand by my comment: anyone exposed to Rule V.. should be)..

Holes in this roster still exist..

Health for the members of this roster is essential.. because depth isn't as good as it needs to be to compete..

Chicago, as of today, with no changes made to the 2021 Guardians team.. is still better.. So, as of now.. it's apples to apples.. if it changes.. then we'll have fruit salad to evaluate..... but it doesn't have to stay that way... Gomes may help.. but certainly won't hurt.. smoke or otherwise..
 
No team...not even the mighty White Sox...can withstand the loss of nearly its entire rotation.

If you dont like what the Indians used to replace them....Quantrill, Morgan, Hentges, and Mejia...folks in Chicago would vomit if they had to commit significant innings to replace Rodon, Lynn, Cease, and Giolito.

Lambert and Stiever are coming on strongly? In what parallel universe. Those two are as bad or worse than what we ran out there. I would take any two SPs slated for the Columbus rotation over those two.

I dont know who Chicago will have in their AAA rotation, but last season the five top SPs in Charlotte were Lambert, Stiever, 28 yr old Alex McRae, 31 yr old Mike Wright, Reynaldo Lopez, 26 yr old John Parker, and 25 yr old Cade McClure.

If Chicago is forced to use that group to provide 52 starts next year, like we did this year from our depth pieces, they will end the season looking up at two teams in the division...no matter what their offense does.
 
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