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Yeah I didn't like the vibe of that dude calling Gordon a thug either and agree it sounds like code...but comparing him to Edelman to prove a point also discredits you.

This is Josh Gordon. The same Josh Gordon who talked about dealing drugs, stealing cars, committing armed robbery, and getting in gang fights. All of that on top of his obvious addiction problem. This is more than a PED suspension and a propensity to party.

Josh Gordon and Julian Edelman are two completely different people, with the former dealing with much more severe issues than the latter.
 

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As Tupac defined it, a thug is someone who is going through struggles, has gone through struggles, and continues to live day by day with nothing for them. That person is a thug. and the life they are living is the thug life. A thug is NOT a gangster. Look up gangster and gangsta. Not even CLOSE, my friend.
I'll just level set with you here and say that if your sourcing to backup a comment like that is Tupac, it's best to just walk it back a bit.

People are reacting to the racial weight that word carries in this discussion. There's lots of NFL fuckups, across all races and the point AZ was trying to make is that Edelman is a scumbag but he'd never be called a thug. Ditto for many guys with drug problems, abuse problems, etc.

I mainly just feel bad for Josh. Many likely do not but it is sad that someone with such immense physical gifts just can't get it together and stay out of his way. Those are the saddest stories to me. Guys who's unshakeable demons keep them from truly realizing their potential.
 
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@FrontPageNews do you think any of the other black players on the browns are thugs or is Josh a special case
 

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Yeah I didn't like the vibe of that dude calling Gordon a thug either and agree it sounds like code...but comparing him to Edelman to prove a point also discredits you.

This is Josh Gordon. The same Josh Gordon who talked about dealing drugs, stealing cars, committing armed robbery, and getting in gang fights. All of that on top of his obvious addiction problem. This is more than a PED suspension and a propensity to party.

Josh Gordon and Julian Edelman are two completely different people, with the former dealing with much more severe issues than the latter.
Drug dealing, grand theft auto, armed robbery.. Yep, sounds exactly like Julian Edelman's history :chuckle:
 

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Since its been brought up...

Is the word thug off limits these days for any person regardless of color regardless of who is using the word?
 

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He meant racist.

In essence, Josh Gordon slips into 'typical thug' status within your (and many's) mind when you hear about his misgivings. Not "troubled". Not "immature". Not "a developing young man". Adding to that, all we hear about with Josh Gordon are misgivings, but those same misgivings don't appear in the media as vividly for a guy like Julian Edelman, who as @AZ_ pointed out, has had similar issues. Even when it gets identified, people don't gravitate to "thug" for Edelman.
Oh, I forgot, everything is about race. Got ya. Look Gordon has a very bad past and comparing drugs and PEDs is stupid.
Some of the things Josh has admittedly done is what makes him a thug. I don’t care if you agree or not, he’s a piece of shit. I’d could call him a number of different names that are “racist”, but thug is not that. I don’t believe in those other words and don’t use them.
He’s a thug, worthless, piece of shit, a loser and a god damn fucking idiot.
He’s gonna end up a junkie within 3 years if he isnt dead.
 

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I don't have a dog in this fight, but Gordon does has a bad history..

"Gordon describes growing up poor and being thrown out of two middle schools for stealing electronics from students. He says he began his longstanding relationship with weed in the seventh grade, and added in Xanax in eighth grade. He was thrown out of his first high school as a sophomore, and at his new school, he joined the Six Deuce Harvard Park Brim Bloods, a satellite of the infamous L.A. gang.

During one of the many gang fights that broke out on the weekends, he took a bullet in his left arm during his junior year. He claims that he never "maliciously" shot anyone, but often had to fire his gun to escape trouble.

He admitted to selling drugs, "mostly weed" and dealing in counterfeit money. He says he and his partners stole cars almost every day. He says he committed armed robbery on numerous occasions to steal electronics.

Gordon said he smoked week every day in high school and drank vodka in class. He started drinking "lean'' every night as a junior, and was always game for an offer of Xanax, hydrocodone or oxycodone.

Five days after his 17th birthday, he was arrested for felony credit credit card theft and spent more than a month in jail. He landed at Baylor because he was on probation and had to live in Texas.

While there, he says he received up to six pounds of weed through the U.S. Mail every week that he'd sell around Texas for a $10,000 monthly profit."

Does that qualify as "thug" behavior? I'd say so.. But, people can change as they get older. Hopefully Gordon can do whatever he needs to do to get back on the right path.
 

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Since its been brought up...

Is the word thug off limits these days for any person regardless of color regardless of who is using the word?
I do not think so. Slangly, though, you're probably using it only in a certain context. I honestly think it's something some folks just can't recognize when they do it. It's all still too inherent.

For me, Josh Gordon isn't a thug. He's troubled for sure, but I'm not sure his life is a string of violent criminal activity. I have more empathy for him than some of the kids in my suburban graduating high school class who had a fine family and decided to go all-out with drugs and trouble. Josh had no support system, which many just can't and won't empathize with. It's easy to say he should have separated himself from trouble from the outside looking-in, but he literally was born into another class where crime was rampant. He had to grow past it, I didn't.
 
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but Gordon does has a bad history..

"Gordon describes growing up poor and being thrown out of two middle schools for stealing electronics from students. He says he began his longstanding relationship with weed in the seventh grade, and added in Xanax in eighth grade. He was thrown out of his first high school as a sophomore, and at his new school, he joined the Six Deuce Harvard Park Brim Bloods, a satellite of the infamous L.A. gang.

During one of the many gang fights that broke out on the weekends, he took a bullet in his left arm during his junior year. He claims that he never "maliciously" shot anyone, but often had to fire his gun to escape trouble.

He admitted to selling drugs, "mostly weed" and dealing in counterfeit money. He says he and his partners stole cars almost every day. He says he committed armed robbery on numerous occasions to steal electronics.

Gordon said he smoked week every day in high school and drank vodka in class. He started drinking "lean'' every night as a junior, and was always game for an offer of Xanax, hydrocodone or oxycodone.

Five days after his 17th birthday, he was arrested for felony credit credit card theft and spent more than a month in jail. He landed at Baylor because he was on probation and had to live in Texas.

While there, he says he received up to six pounds of weed through the U.S. Mail every week that he'd sell around Texas for a $10,000 monthly profit."

Does that qualify as "thug" behavior? I'd say so.. But, people can change as they get older. Hopefully Gordon can do whatever he needs to do to get back on the right path.
The armed robbery is a thug move. The rest actually aren't, if we're trying to actually defend the word itself.
 

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The armed robbery is a thug move. The rest actually aren't, if we're trying to actually defend the word itself.
Do you think that stealing cars "almost every day" is a thug move? I'm not trying to defend the use of "thug", it doesn't matter to me either way. But, Gordon himself admitted to a 5+ year period of extensive criminal activity. That's a lot different from a guy like Edelman who likes to party and failed a drug test. If that was all Gordon had done then I don't think people would be calling him a thug.
 

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Do you think that stealing cars "almost every day" is a thug move? I'm not trying to defend the use of "thug", it doesn't matter to me either way. But, Gordon himself admitted to a 5+ year period of extensive criminal activity. That's a lot different from a guy like Edelman who likes to party and failed a drug test. If that was all Gordon had done then I don't think people would be calling him a thug.
Seeing as how thug is one who is a violent criminal, I don't make that connection automatically. If he's throwing someone from their car, perhaps.
 

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Seeing as how thug is one who is a violent criminal, I don't make that connection automatically. If he's throwing someone from their car, perhaps.
lol ok. So being in a gang and shooting at people is not “violent or criminal”
Got ya
 

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So are we thinking Alliance of American Football or XFL for Josh Gordon? Maybe the Ricky Williams doobie league? I wouldn't mind seeing if he can hang playing Ultimate Frisbee, where playing high is encouraged.
 

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So are we thinking Alliance of American Football or XFL for Josh Gordon? Maybe the Ricky Williams doobie league? I wouldn't mind seeing if he can hang playing Ultimate Frisbee, where playing high is encouraged.
Disc golf is probably the biggest weed sport out there, although I don't se that being a good fit for Josh.
 

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