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Kareem Hunt: One Pissed Off Runner!

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I typically agree with a lot of Stannis perspectives, but I don't like the "well the LEGAL record shows nothing" argument. That's a can of worms you probably don't want to open up.
 
I think most would agree it's more about the piss-poor decision-making than the actual crime he committed.

No one gives a shit about the speeding. Hell, most wouldn't give a shit about the weed or the open container either if the dude wasn't coming off of an eight game suspension for at least three separate instances where he got into drunken altercations.

Hunt clearly has a drinking problem, and so getting caught with an open container is kind of a big deal.
 
Thank you for your prompt response, I apologize that my post was acting weird, I swear I wrote about the four questions. And I am not pointing fingers at you sir, I am addressing the gallery as well.

I think people need to understand how NFL policy is determined and what courses of action it can take. Despite what people are saying, or assuming, I am telling you that the NFL is highly constrained in what it can do in this instance with Hunt.

Moreover, again, people are using terms like judgement, but you cannot presume a lapse of judgement where there is no violation of law or policy. Again, he didn't get off on a technicality, what he did was completely innocuous.

1) Hunt saying he would fail a drug test is not an admission that he was impaired. Depending on the test, a positive result for cannabis can be earned weeks after the last ingestion. In no way is it an admission to being impaired; he could be referring to a future test that might occur if he was charged. Or he was just trying to put the screws on the cop, or maybe he was just scared. For those reasons such an admission cannot be used as a confession, nor is it acceptable according to NFL regulations.

As for the 3 of 4, I refer to the same point.

2) My point is the legality has everything to do with it. You cannot be held reponsible for poor judgment when you aren't breaking the law, or NFL policy.

Moreover, and emphatically, the NFL as an organization bound by rules for its treatment of employees, cannot presume guilt in a situation where the evidence, the legal record, is clear that no NFL Policy was violated.

3) As a matter of law, even under the CBA, NFL players are entitled to a form of due process. While there is leeway for the NFL to act where there is no violation of the law, they are very constrained in punishing people, to include suspension and loss of pay, where there is both no legal violation, and no evidence that NFL policy was violated.

4) Tom Brady was suspended for deflating balls. Not illegal, but a violation of NFL policy. Players have been suspended after video surfaced of them assaulting others, even if no charges were filed. However, in such cases there is clear evidence of breaking NFL policy, in the case of assault that being several policies, not least of which is breaking the personal conduct policy.

5) In this instance there is a lack of evidence of both. Not only were there no charges outside of the speeding ticket, but no evidence of a violation of NFL policy.

Whereas cannabis use is a violation of NFL policy, that policy is evidentiary based and requires an NFL administered drug test to trigger the substance policy machinery. Unless they can prove Hunt was using cannabis at that time, in the face of no charge of cannabis possession or use, they cannot, as a matter of policy punish him.

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As for the "lapse in judgement," aside from what I said above, are we really talking about firing a guy for being sober, having weed and a sealed bottle of booze, in his backpack in the backset of his car?

Is that "repeated lapses if judgement" and "Blowing through chance after chance" to paraphrase others?

Again, that is building a case where there is none, and turning something innocuous into something far more scandalous than it is.

While we're quoting NFL policies:

While criminal activity is clearly outside the scope of permissible conduct, and persons who engage in criminal activity will be subject to discipline, the standard of conduct for persons employed in the NFL is considerably higher. It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful."

I'm not talking about "firing a guy for being sober*, having weed and a sealed* bottle of booze..." I'm talking about a guy who is probably going to get punished for making a terrible personal decision given his circumstances. And it's completely within the NFL's right to punish him.

*legally sober, but on video saying he'd fail a drug test right now.
*Correction: not sealed.
 
I had no problem when Nick Chubb was getting pulled over and his possession charges so I can't get all up in arms over it happening with Hunt.
 
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No one gives a shit about the speeding. Hell, most wouldn't give a shit about the weed or the open container either if the dude wasn't coming off of an eight game suspension for at least three separate instances where he got into drunken altercations.

Hunt clearly has a drinking problem, and so getting caught with an open container is kind of a big deal.
Yeah I agree with that, probably understated it in my original post.
 
I had no problem when Nick Chubb was getting pulled over and his possession charges so I can't get all up in arms over it happening with Hunt.

Link? I never heard about that.

If true though, I still think context/history matters. If we were talking about Kareem Hunt's first misstep here, it would be a completely different conversation.
 
I cannot understand why guys like this, don't call a car if they are partying?This may have been from another evening, but why would you get behind the wheel with any of that stuff in the car if you are an athlete? There simply is too much at stake.

He wasn't partying, he was transporting an open bottle of vodka and some weed. He wasn't accused of driving impared.

If the vodka was in the trunk, not breaking the law. He probably did sleep over at the place he drank and was no longer drunk. The vodka portion is very, very minor even if charged, which he wasnt.

The weed on its own isnt a huge deal either, the issue is he admitted on tape to having smoked which is going to trigger the drug program rules of the NFL.

I am huge into legalize weed, so i am not saying he is a bad person, if he was a normal citizen this is nothing, but he now will be suspended 2 games most likely for drugs, not something he has done before, and maybe cut by the Browns for getting into trouble again. Personally i want to keep him, some team will give him a chance again, we have him, he is a backup, and this is much more minor than pushing over a female on video,.
 
I cannot understand why guys like this, don't call a car if they are partying? This may have been from another evening, but why would you get behind the wheel with any of that stuff in the car if you are an athlete? There simply is too much at stake.
Ive been told (maybe someone else can confirm) is that pro sports leagues have an Uber like service in most major cities (especially ones with a local team) that they can call on whenever. When in season, it can be used for family as well.
 
I had no problem when Nick Chubb was getting pulled over and his possession charges so I can't get all up in arms over it happening with Hunt.

Do you mean Calloway? I don't recall Nick Chubb being involved in any incidents.
 
Getting a speeding ticket?

In the end that is all it is, video or no: A fancy speeding ticket during the offseason.

Well, it is actually more than that because of the obvious appearance of the drugs, and then his admission that he wouldn't pass a drug test. He's going to be administered one -- or at least he should be -- and likely be suspended. As well as being an additional step along on the drug protocol.

That's more than would happen if it was just a speeding ticket.
 
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Hunt should say he misspoke and then drink weed clear til his eyeballs are floating, take a prelim drug test and when it shows negative, then he can insist on a NFL team drug test. His stupidity is just bizarre
 

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