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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 48.9%
  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 4.4%
  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 13 28.9%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 8 17.8%

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Cavatt

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I am really worried by the fact he isn't in shape. Why not? Can he get into shape? There was chatter about the calf at the olympics. Is that true? Is he still hurt. Ugh.
 

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I think you are overstating it. He actually had a positive OBPM and VORP last year. In 2019/2020 his VORP/minutes played was actually higher than the 2016/2017 season.

Love is a player who always fails the eye test. He is sometimes painful to watch when he's playing at an All NBA level -- he is often painful to watch when playing at an MLE level.

Is he worth $30M? Not even close -- but he is definitely worth the taxpayer MLE if healthy. I don't know if he'll get that -- if he wants to chase rings (LAL/BKN/MKE) he would have to accept the vet min.


Who cares about his advance stats?

His advance stats dont mean nothing,if he's lazy all the time on defense and offense. Even,if you take the 2019-2020 season when he played 56 out of the 65 games,he was still being very detrimental to the team.

This is,why I hate advance stats because it doesnt tell the whole story and it's useless.
 

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I hope he dont think he will be starter over Mobley.
 

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Exactly. If he had any interest in getting back in shape and playing ball with a contender he would take a $12-15 mil buyout like Kemba just did. Unfortunately Kevin seems happy enough living his best life.. he wouldn't even try to get in shape when given the opportunity to represent the country in the Olympics. That pretty much tells ya all you need to know about current KLove.
Just wondering whether that $12-15 mil figure is just an educated guess based on how much the Knicks are paying him, or if you actually saw something reported.
 

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This will go down as the worst contract in sports history...imo

That's a bit of hyperbole. The NFL instituted a rookie pay scale because of busts like Jamarcus Russell.

Bobby Bonilla is still getting paid 1 million a year. I know that seems like chump change, but that's been going on longer than some people on this board have been alive.
 

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That's a bit of hyperbole. The NFL instituted a rookie pay scale because of busts like Jamarcus Russell.

Bobby Bonilla is still getting paid 1 million a year. I know that seems like chump change, but that's been going on longer than some people on this board have been alive.
Bobby Bonilla gets to keep collecting checks until 2035.
 

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I think you are overstating it. He actually had a positive OBPM and VORP last year. In 2019/2020 his VORP/minutes played was actually higher than the 2016/2017 season.

Love is a player who always fails the eye test. He is sometimes painful to watch when he's playing at an All NBA level -- he is often painful to watch when playing at an MLE level.

Is he worth $30M? Not even close -- but he is definitely worth the taxpayer MLE if healthy. I don't know if he'll get that -- if he wants to chase rings (LAL/BKN/MKE) he would have to accept the vet min.
Stupid contracts are handed out every year, particularly when teams have their first and second options fall through. Maybe it's wishful thinking that he could get the MLE, but the amount we could get Love to give back in order to be bought out will almost certainly never be higher than it is right now. The following is from Lloyd's piece at The Athletic:

I remain steadfast in the belief a buyout is the best path for both sides, but those conversations haven’t occurred to this point. Love would have to give back significant money, somewhere in the $12-$15 million range, for the Cavs to consider letting him walk. Love has given no indication to this point he’s willing to do that. So the staring match continues.
If true, I'm stunned that these conversations haven't begun yet. If the Cavs aren't even going to consider it unless Love were giving back at least $12 mil then they're fucking fools. We should take whatever the hell we can get out of him and move the fuck on. We aren't contending this year or two, so the only value he would have to this team, even if he were to somehow remain healthy, would be as a veteran leader or mentor, and that ship has long-since sailed.

On principle, I despise the trend of buyouts, I really do. But that's a NBA problem, not a Cleveland Cavaliers problem. Koby is no position to be fighting that fight, especially with the deck already being stacked against small-market teams. He needs to do what's best for his team. And if shit like really upsets Dan enough, then I'm sure he'll have no problem being vindictive and maybe even petty in the next round of CBA negotiations :chuckle: .
 

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This will go down as the worst contract in sports history...imo
I feel like the worst NBA contract is still either that post-achillies Arenas extension or the 10 year deal CWebb got with a player option n year 2...
 

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Agreed. I know a lot of posters don't agree with me on this, but the best course of action will be to move him into backup big man for 20 minute stints and accept it. The Olympic team was a chance to raise his status for a trade, and it went as poorly as one could imagine.

Still feeling good about this stance. Both the Cavs and Kevin lose if they try all these buyout scenarios. Accepting the aging process isn't easy, my knees and waistline will tell you that, but it's the sanest course of action until the last year of his contract. The optimist in me sees a path where he can still play an important role as the young core gets better, like Paul Millsap provided Jokic.
 

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Still feeling good about this stance. Both the Cavs and Kevin lose if they try all these buyout scenarios. Accepting the aging process isn't easy, my knees and waistline will tell you that, but it's the sanest course of action until the last year of his contract. The optimist in me sees a path where he can still play an important role as the young core gets better, like Paul Millsap provided Jokic.

I think if Love accepts a back up role and is willing to do it he could add some great value to us. Does that mean Nance and Mobley share some backup minutes at C?
 

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I think if Love accepts a back up role and is willing to do it he could add some great value to us. Does that mean Nance and Mobley share some backup minutes at C?

Depends on the matchup for Love's role, because now he is matchup-dependant.

Here's what I can say about his max as a backup center - think back to how Nellie used centers. He loved a guy with perimeter skills shooting and passing because a Love-type pulls a Rudy Gobert-type defensive center away from the paint. Now does that mean the Gobert-type dunks on Love over and over on the other side? Yes, but you can live with that from a backup.
 

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Kevin Love is washed, no longer cares about basketball and will never be a net positive for the rest of his career. The only reason he “tried” to play on Team USA was to raise his profile enough find an easier way out of Cleveland. But even if he managed that, getting out of Cleveland was his only goal. Not playing basketball. He’s toast. Soggy toast.
 

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