Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[Cavsfan1985]

The last 3 seasons the team with the 11th pick has had 36 wins during the regular season. The Cavs had 19 wins this past season and I have to think, with a healthy Kevin Love, Tristan Thompson, & John Henson, they can push towards or surpass 36 wins.

Additionally, the new draft lottery also levels the playing field and makes it easier for teams to claim a top 4 pick, as the Lakers did from 11th spot recently. It’s not far-fetched at all to think the Cavs could lose that pick to Atlanta.

I disagree, unless Love plays a whole season and is close to an All-NBA type player, and Sexton is a board line All Star I don't see this team crossing the 30 win mark. Look at the other teams in the lottery, do you really think adding a top 5 pick, puts us above 9 to 10 teams?

 

[sailfish]

I disagree, unless Love plays a whole season and is close to an All-NBA type player, and Sexton is a board line All Star I don't see this team crossing the 30 win mark. Look at the other teams in the lottery, do you really think adding a top 5 pick, puts us above 9 to 10 teams?

First, I think having Beilein as coach is going to make us a much better ‘team.’ Second, the Cavs were a team that was ravaged by injuries this past year. I’m assuming they will be healthier this year. With the addition of a top 5 draft pick and whatever we get for JR, along with a healthy Love, TT, Delly, & Henson, the Cavs could easily push towards or surpass 36 wins.

 

[CBBI]

The last 3 seasons the team with the 11th pick has had 36 wins during the regular season. The Cavs had 19 wins this past season and I have to think, with a healthy Kevin Love, Tristan Thompson, & John Henson, they can push towards or surpass 36 wins.

I will gladly bet you any amount of money you want that the Cavs do not win 36 games next year even if Kevin Love plays all 82 games.

Absolutely no chance of that happening.

And if it DID happen that would literally be the worst case scenario for the Cavs overall. A team not good enough to even make the playoffs, but not bad enough to land one of the top players in the next draft and they’d lose their 2020 pick!

Just a nightmare scenario.

 

[sailfish]

I will gladly bet you any amount of money you want that the Cavs do not win 36 games next year even if Kevin Love plays all 82 games.

Absolutely no chance of that happening.

And if it DID happen that would literally be the worst case scenario for the Cavs overall. A team not good enough to even make the playoffs, but not bad enough to land one of the top players in the next draft and they’d lose their 2020 pick!

Just a nightmare scenario.

I agree. It’s a nightmare scenario, but one that could transpire, if the Cavs choose to roll with veterans, like Love, TT, Delly, Henson, etc., rather than focusing on development. For the life of me, I don’t understand keeping a 31 year old Kevin Love on the roster?! The Cavs seem so flattered that Love chose to re-sign here that they can’t bring themselves to part with him, even if it’s what makes sense & would help accelerate the rebuild.

 

[dark2332]

I agree. It’s a nightmare scenario, but one that could transpire, if the Cavs choose to roll with veterans, like Love, TT, Delly, Henson, etc., rather than focusing on development. For the life of me, I don’t understand keeping a 31 year old Kevin Love on the roster?! The Cavs seem so flattered that Love chose to re-sign here that they can’t bring themselves to part with him, even if it’s what makes sense & would help accelerate the rebuild.

Koby Altman is no fool, sailfish.

Trust me, we're keeping that Atlanta pick. We will do whatever is necessary.

Fortunately for us, even with Love and an improved team, 28-30 wins would be a hell of a season. A positive step, youth development, and all of those factors can still take place in another bottom 6 season.

If we're playing above that pace due to veterans having a solid year, you can expect those same veterans to be shopped on the open market pre-deadline. We'll course-correct with rest and moving veteran pieces if push comes to shove; you can take that to the bank.

As far as Kevin Love goes, specifically, they do wish to deal him. They are just in a position where they don't have to deal him.

If he hadn't been hurt last year, he was likely dealt by the deadline. If a very good deal presents itself, they likely deal him this summer. If they must wait for him to have a good first half of the season, he's likely gone by the deadline. They'll sit back, gauge interest knowing they have him under contract, and will pounce before they reach the point of no return.

The real situation to monitor is that JR Smith contract. There is absolutely nothing like that on the market this summer--it's essentially a monopoly. We're likely to get 8-10 teams in cap hell calling us about that contract. This might be the first summer in awhile, too, that teams are looking to open up max space for a free agent--especially if Durant is bolting from Golden State and the league is more balanced once again.

 

[sailfish]

Koby Altman is no fool, sailfish.

Trust me, we're keeping that Atlanta pick. We will do whatever is necessary.

Fortunately for us, even with Love and an improved team, 28-30 wins would be a hell of a season. A positive step, youth development, and all of those factors can still take place in another bottom 6 season.

If we're playing above that pace due to veterans having a solid year, you can expect those same veterans to be shopped on the open market pre-deadline. We'll course-correct with rest and moving veteran pieces if push comes to shove; you can take that to the bank.

As far as Kevin Love goes, specifically, they do wish to deal him. They are just in a position where they don't have to deal him.

If he hadn't been hurt last year, he was likely dealt by the deadline. If a very good deal presents itself, they likely deal him this summer. If they must wait for him to have a good first half of the season, he's likely gone by the deadline. They'll sit back, gauge interest knowing they have him under contract, and will pounce before they reach the point of no return.

The real situation to monitor is that JR Smith contract. There is absolutely nothing like that on the market this summer--it's essentially a monopoly. We're likely to get 8-10 teams in cap hell calling us about that contract. This might be the first summer in awhile, too, that teams are looking to open up max space for a free agent--especially if Durant is bolting from Golden State and the league is more balanced once again.

I know Koby is no fool. He’s a smart guy, as is Dan Gilbert. I just think that what they feel Kevin Love is worth and what other teams are offering, given his contract and injury issues, are obviously not in the same Ballpark.

Many teams won’t touch his contract. It’s pretty much a given that the Cavaliers are going to have to take back a bad contract, if they want to move Love. I think they might be able to partner him, with JR Smith’s contract, and perhaps get something more desirable in return then they would be able to by dealing Love, by himself.

 

[bigfoot5415]

Cedi and Collin clearly were both helped by Love's presence. I believe the same will hold true for this years pick.

Having a player better than your punk 19 year olds is a good idea. They have to be humble and they have a better player on the team that they can see their professionalism and hard work. I just think it is more valuable than what we can get for him.

Yes it is on the coach, but ask Kawhi if Duncan had any effect on him, or if the Admiral had any effect on Duncan. I think it is attitude as much as anything that can help these kids.

Kevin can be a cultural piece and help the team develop the right way with the right habits. I'd like him to retire a Cav. It will shine a nice light on the team as well.

Also worth mentioning that Love's last year of an extension is Collin's first year on his next deal. That season, the Cavs will only have $32M on the books between Love & Nance (two good cultural pieces). That year, we will only have roughly 20% of the cap occupied as of right now.

There is zero reason to move him because of his contract. He is an all star & will almost always be the best player in any trade.

Keep the all star, & eat the contract.

 

[Cavatt]

Also worth mentioning that Love's last year of an extension is Collin's first year on his next deal. That season, the Cavs will only have $32M on the books between Love & Nance (two good cultural pieces). That year, we will only have roughly 20% of the cap occupied as of right now.

There is zero reason to move him because of his contract. He is an all star & will almost always be the best player in any trade.

Keep the all star, & eat the contract.

I think it is the best thing for the Franchise. Just having another star guy who can be your guy for years instead of Lebron is really good for the Cavs.

 

[sailfish]

Also worth mentioning that Love's last year of an extension is Collin's first year on his next deal. That season, the Cavs will only have $32M on the books between Love & Nance (two good cultural pieces). That year, we will only have roughly 20% of the cap occupied as of right now.

There is zero reason to move him because of his contract. He is an all star & will almost always be the best player in any trade.

Keep the all star, & eat the contract.

I sense the same feelings towards Kevin Love that fans once had towards Mark Price, who was eventually traded to Washington. Make no mistake, Love is an effective player, when healthy, which hasn’t been very much recently. He’s not a franchise player or a star, by any means, but he’s a real nice complimentary piece on a good team.

Other than the fans’ attachment, I don’t see the point of keeping Love, however? He is soon to be 31 and likely will not ever, again, play for a contender in Cleveland, if he remains here. I want Love to be able to spend his last few good years playing for a contender. I also want my team to be able to get some younger assets for him, which can, hopefully, help accelerate the rebuild.

 

[CBBI]

I sense the same feelings towards Kevin Love that fans once had towards Mark Price, who was eventually traded to Washington. Make no mistake, Love is an effective player, when healthy, which hasn’t been very much recently. He’s not a franchise player or a star, by any means, but he’s a real nice complimentary piece on a good team.

Other than the fans’ attachment, I don’t see the point of keeping Love, however? He is soon to be 31 and likely will not ever, again, play for a contender in Cleveland, if he remains here. I want Love to be able to spend his last few good years playing for a contender. I also want my team to be able to get some younger assets for him, which can, hopefully, help accelerate the rebuild.

Absolutely this.

There’s some weird sense on this board of “Kevin showed loyalty to the Cavs when he didn’t have to, they owe it to him to keep him!” ignoring what really happened.

The Cavs gave Love a contract that no other team was going to give him. 4/120 for a guy with a long history of injury problems, a proven track record of NOT being able to succeed as a first banana and for his age 31, 32, 33 and 34 seasons?

Wasn’t getting that from anyone else. No way, no how.

I am a big fan of the guy. He has been my avatar for years. But if there’s someone to not feel bad for it’s Kevin freaking Love. That guy got his ring and secured the bag. The Cavs don’t owe him shit.

 

[DeeThree]

Koby Altman is no fool, sailfish.

Trust me, we're keeping that Atlanta pick. We will do whatever is necessary.

Fortunately for us, even with Love and an improved team, 28-30 wins would be a hell of a season. A positive step, youth development, and all of those factors can still take place in another bottom 6 season.

If we're playing above that pace due to veterans having a solid year, you can expect those same veterans to be shopped on the open market pre-deadline. We'll course-correct with rest and moving veteran pieces if push comes to shove; you can take that to the bank.

As far as Kevin Love goes, specifically, they do wish to deal him. They are just in a position where they don't have to deal him.

If he hadn't been hurt last year, he was likely dealt by the deadline. If a very good deal presents itself, they likely deal him this summer. If they must wait for him to have a good first half of the season, he's likely gone by the deadline. They'll sit back, gauge interest knowing they have him under contract, and will pounce before they reach the point of no return.

The real situation to monitor is that JR Smith contract. There is absolutely nothing like that on the market this summer--it's essentially a monopoly. We're likely to get 8-10 teams in cap hell calling us about that contract. This might be the first summer in awhile, too, that teams are looking to open up max space for a free agent--especially if Durant is bolting from Golden State and the league is more balanced once again.

Yeah, with the way they held out Love this year, I can see it happening again next year.

 

[sailfish]

Absolutely this.

There’s some weird sense on this board of “Kevin showed loyalty to the Cavs when he didn’t have to, they owe it to him to keep him!” ignoring what really happened.

The Cavs gave Love a contract that no other team was going to give him. 4/120 for a guy with a long history of injury problems, a proven track record of NOT being able to succeed as a first banana and for his age 31, 32, 33 and 34 seasons?

Wasn’t getting that from anyone else. No way, no how.

I am a big fan of the guy. He has been my avatar for years. But if there’s someone to not feel bad for it’s Kevin freaking Love. That guy got his ring and secured the bag. The Cavs don’t owe him shit.

Amen! I think it’s the Cleveland inferiority complex thing rearing it’s ugly head. Some fans act like Love did the Cavs & Cleveland this huge favor by allowing the Cavs to overpay him. It’s like they fully expected him to diss us and go elsewhere, as LeBron, Kyrie, & others have have done. Because he chose to stay and didn’t actually leave us, we now owe him something for not leaving us. It’s a weird dynamic that is tough to understand...

 

[sailfish]

Yeah, with the way they held out Love this year, I can see it happening again next year.

So, let me get this straight...we pay him $30 million per year NOT to play?! M’kay.....

 

[Sebastian]

I sense the same feelings towards Kevin Love that fans once had towards Mark Price, who was eventually traded to Washington. Make no mistake, Love is an effective player, when healthy, which hasn’t been very much recently. He’s not a franchise player or a star, by any means, but he’s a real nice complimentary piece on a good team.

Other than the fans’ attachment, I don’t see the point of keeping Love, however? He is soon to be 31 and likely will not ever, again, play for a contender in Cleveland, if he remains here. I want Love to be able to spend his last few good years playing for a contender. I also want my team to be able to get some younger assets for him, which can, hopefully, help accelerate the rebuild.

Rebuilds happen in a couple different ways.

Gilbert will likely wish to play the FA market after next season, with two lotto picks already drafted in the Top 10, before trading an All-Star that could aid in recruiting another All-Star peer. The shortest route to the playoffs.

 

[CBBI]

Rebuilds happen in a couple different ways.

Gilbert will likely wish to play the FA market after next season, with two lotto picks already drafted in the Top 10, before trading an All-Star that could aid in recruiting another All-Star peer. The shortest route to the playoffs.

I understand this line of thinking, but I really hope this isn’t where Gilbert and Altman’s heads are at because it very much assumes two things that I don’t believe are true.

1. I don’t believe Kevin Love is going to play like an all-star caliber player anymore.

2. I definitely don’t think Kevin Love’s presence, even if he returned to his Minnesota 26-12 form, is swaying any other all-star to come to Cleveland.

The Cavs could very well have eyes on 2021 as a contending year, but they’re being foolish if they actually think they have a shot at ANY quality free agent. That’s simply not going to be in the cards.