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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 48.3%

  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 15 25.9%

  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 22.4%
  • Total voters
    58
inliner311 said:
What I was saying wasn't that the Tobias Harris package wouldn't be enough for Love. I was saying that expecting that kind of return isn't ridiculous and might actually be attainable.
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I don't think it is for a few reasons.
  • You mentioned that the 2020 free agent class being weak is a positive, but the problem is that Love's contract goes on for another 3 years. Not only does it put teams out of the 2020 class, but for some it would also take them out of the 2021 class and beyond.
  • I don't think Harris' free agent status hurt the Clippers' leverage. In any trade like that, most always the receiving team gets a handshake deal from the player and their agent as to what criteria (money, etc.) it would take for them to resign. We did the same thing with Love, and on the other end Kawhi famously gave no 'understanding' to Toronto.
  • Like Rich said, the unprotected Miami pick was the prime asset in that trade. Has its value declined since then? Yes
  • Philly was in a position where they felt they were a top 5 team in the league and just needed to get over the hump. They believed that Harris would push them into a Finals team, and went as far as to give up more assets for Harris than they did for Butler who's a much better player. Today, no such team exists that thinks the same of Love
  • Also, Tobias Harris is a better and more versatile player and contributes more to winning than Kevin Love, at this specific stage in their respective careers.
 
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mhi said:
I don't think it is for a few reasons.
  • You mentioned that the 2021 free agent class being weak is a positive, but the problem is that Love's contract goes on for another 3 years. Not only does it put teams out of the 2020 class, but for some it would also take them out of the 2021 class and beyond.
  • I don't think Harris' free agent status hurt the Clippers' leverage. In any trade like that, most always the receiving team gets a handshake deal from the player and their agent as to what criteria (money, etc.) it would take for them to resign. We did the same thing with Love, and on the other end Kawhi famously gave no 'understanding' to Toronto.
  • Like Rich said, the unprotected Miami pick was the prime asset in that trade. Has its value declined since then? Yes
  • Philly was in a position where they felt they were a top 5 team in the league and just needed to get over the hump. They believed that Harris would push them into a Finals team, and went as far as to give up more assets for Harris than they did for Butler who's a much better player. Today, no such team exists that thinks the same of Love
  • Also, Tobias Harris is a better and more versatile player and contributes more to winning than Kevin Love, at this specific stage in their respective careers.
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While I agree with most of this. The Miami pick was a prime asset last year where I think most expected it to fall in the top 20 and could possibly fall into the top 10 with the roster and cap issues Miami had. Now though it's flipped, it's most likely a #20-30 and for it to become better you have to hope for injuries plus Miami not to make any other moves. I think it was the center piece of last year's trade while I don't think it's a center piece pick now.

I think a Tobias Harris package looking back at it from today's perspective is attainable for Love. Basically two first round picks expected to be between #20-30 which one might have some slight upside. Then two roll of the dice 2nd round picks and a good young player.

Like if Portland gave up a 2020 and a 2022 1st rounder both top 10 or 14 protected with Nassir Little, Bazemore, and Whiteside for Love, Knight, and Mckinnie or Zizic. Then we are able to flip Bazemore and/or Whiteside at the deadline for more second round picks for expirings. I think that isn't out of the question especially if there are multiple suitors for Love. I'm not sure there were a ton of suitor for Tobias Harris last year, Love might actually have more team in play than Harris did.
 
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inliner311 said:
While I agree with most of this. The Miami pick was a prime asset last year where I think most expected it to fall in the top 20 and could possibly fall into the top 10 with the roster and cap issues Miami had. Now though it's flipped, it's most likely a #20-30 and for it to become better you have to hope for injuries plus Miami not to make any other moves. I think it was the center piece of last year's trade while I don't think it's a center piece pick now.

I think a Tobias Harris package looking back at it from today's perspective is attainable for Love. Basically two first round picks expected to be between #20-30 which one might have some slight upside. Then two roll of the dice 2nd round picks and a good young player.

Like if Portland gave up a 2020 and a 2022 1st rounder both top 10 or 14 protected with Nassir Little, Bazemore, and Whiteside for Love, Knight, and Mckinnie or Zizic. Then we are able to flip Bazemore and/or Whiteside at the deadline for more second round picks for expirings. I think that isn't out of the question especially if there are multiple suitors for Love. I'm not sure there were a ton of suitor for Tobias Harris last year, Love might actually have more team in play than Harris did.
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We can agree to disagree. Overall, I think one first rounder (late) is probably where I see him returning plus the other stuff. I don't think we will get two first round picks for him.

On a related, Hollinger wrote some more words about him. FWIW, I don't agree that Paul with his contract is more of a net positive asset relative to Love and his.

Do Kevin Love and Chris Paul have positive trade value?
One of the key questions that will determine whether much of substance happens at the upcoming trade deadline is whether teams feel good enough about Chris Paul and Kevin Love to view their contracts positively. In other words, do you see Kevin Love at $91 million for the three seasons after this one as an asset, or as a liability? Similarly, what about Chris Paul at $85 million over the next two seasons after this one, with a player option? (You could add Griffin to this conversation too, but for the moment Paul and Love are the two major name-brand stars with “available: inquire within” signs on them).

The years are a concern. Love is 31, Paul is 34, and each is well off his peak production levels. Of course, both also are marooned in sub-optimal situations that may not exactly be stoking their competitive fires, particularly in the case of Love, who’s on that overmatched Cleveland squad.

Yet neither player will be changing teams unless there’s something in it for their current squads. Both Cleveland and Oklahoma City have expressed willingness to move on from them, but with the very clear condition that they get future considerations in return — draft assets or young players.

Adding another layer of complexity, both teams are right at the tax line and would not be willing to take on 2019-20 money in a trade. (Future money, on the other hand, is very plausible in the right deal).

Push come to shove, I think it’s more likely a contending team makes a bid for Paul than for Love. He’s older and his contract is more onerous, but he’s also proven to be the more impactful winner. He plays a more coveted position, and his game is easier to meld with that of other stars.
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Link - https://theathletic.com/1458274/201...ons-when-it-comes-to-this-years-trade-market/
 
Softer part of the schedule coming up. Time for Love to put on the old razzle dazzle.
 
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Love is taking his defensive strategy/effort straight out of Lebron circa 2018.

At least the young guys get burned from inexperience
combined with at least some effort.

Love tops it off by getting on the young guys who apparently are expected to
cover Loves' guy plus their own. He and Nance have been the 'leaders'
in this department.

Love is checked out of Cleveland in his head. The sooner the body follows,
the better the Cavs can get on with the rebuild.

I do appreciate his contributions to the Championship.
 
theathletic.com

A conversation with Kevin Love: His legacy, LeBron, group chats and his future

The Athletic sat down with Kevin Love recently to discuss his second act and what he wants to accomplish over the back half of his career.
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The Love article on the Athletic wasn't very interesting (not bad but nothing new) but Lloyd asked if he would request a trade if thing didn't start trending in the right direction. I figured he already did so that was odd but he answered "yes and no" with a lot of caveats about the teams plans for him being a determining factor.

Not sure what Koby is saying behind closed doors but it seems like Koby is straddling the fence on competing or going full tank mode. Either way it doesn't sound like Love is buying his vision. It's also pretty clear he signed that contract because he was unsure of his body holding up even though he hilariously claims he could've signed a one-plus-one and waited then netted $40 million more. It's hard to dispute that he made the best decision for himself financially, and now he needs to reward the Cavs back by playing well enough to increase his trade value.
 
His effort level has increased significantly. I know his boxscores looked good most of the year and tonight's is no different, but the rebounds he was getting were big boy rebounds against a bigger front line. Been a good two weeks now of him playing with vastly increased effort.
 
Playing well and jumping around with his teammates might be his way of saying to other teams, "See, I'm not a cancer and I'm still a very good player. Come get me."
 
red. said:
They bumped later. Lol. I saw it at the end because I was wondering wtf they were doing.
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Camera guy should get an award for capturing the shot in such a manner lol. Funny and sad to watch but good to hear Kevin made it up to him.
 
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