Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[PIP]

I think the contrasting differences between Nance and Love is that Nance is viewed as an unfortunate circumstance. A player who gives it his all out there every single time. The effort is appreciated.

Love on the other hand comes across as lazy. Kinda seems weak both physically and emotionally. I mean Bron was basically telling him to try to fit in 6 years ago.

Someone who seems to give a half ass effort. Pouty and just a brat.

For me that’s kinda like comparing Zydrunas vs Kemp. Love is reaching Kemp-like status…

 

[2 For The Brew]

It's incredibly important for people who hate somebody to continue to feed off that hatred, even if the reasons have to constantly change.

Did I get that right?

Explains at least 92% of cable news channels (all across the political spectrum).

 

[2 For The Brew]

The difficulty with Love is that nobody other than him really knows how much of his decline is due to his body breaking down vs attitude.

To what extent is Love a Derrick Coleman vs Bill Walton?

I think even Kevin would admit he’s nowhere near as driven as a Sexton or even an Okoro but there’s also no doubt he has physical problems.

In the end what really matters is that he’s not performing well. In particular his defensive rebounding is way down because he can’t or won’t jump at all now. We’re stuck with an overpriced former star with physical and mental issues of unknown severity. We were very lucky to find idiots that took the awful Shawn Kemp contract for his last two years; doubt we’ll find anyone that stupid now.

 

[OptimusPrime]

When you look at the roster and see Love, Nance, and Wade as your power forwards, you would expect to get reasonable production most nights. Instead, I think the lack of production at the 4 has been even more of a problem for this team than the lack of production from the 3.

Nance has been ok when he's played, but he's not a scorer or a shooter, and he's hurt all the time anyway. Wade has one or two games a month where he's hitting threes, but other than that he doesn't really do anything else.

I held off on criticizing Love all year because I wanted to see the young guys play with him and see what he could contribute from the 4. Well I've seen it now. He's awful. He can't or refuses to move on defense. He's careless with the ball. He can't even shoot anymore. He's disinterested most of the time he's in the game. Even if you discount his attitude or other intangibles that we can't quantify as fans, just watching him play basketball, he gives them almost nothing anymore. One hot shooting night every once in a while and that's it.

With his basketball value at nearly zero, if the off court stuff is a bad as it seems, cutting him might be worth it just to get him out of here even if it ties up $12 million of cap for 5 years.

 

[2 For The Brew]

When you look at the roster and see Love, Nance, and Wade as your power forwards, you would expect to get reasonable production most nights. Instead, I think the lack of production at the 4 has been even more of a problem for this team than the lack of production from the 3.

Nance has been ok when he's played, but he's not a scorer or a shooter, and he's hurt all the time anyway. Wade has one or two games a month where he's hitting threes, but other than that he doesn't really do anything else.

I held off on criticizing Love all year because I wanted to see the young guys play with him and see what he could contribute from the 4. Well I've seen it now. He's awful. He can't or refuses to move on defense. He's careless with the ball. He can't even shoot anymore. He's disinterested most of the time he's in the game. Even if you discount his attitude or other intangibles that we can't quantify as fans, just watching him play basketball, he gives them almost nothing anymore. One hot shooting night every once in a while and that's it.

With his basketball value at nearly zero, if the off court stuff is a bad as it seems, cutting him might be worth it just to get him out of here even if it ties up $12 million of cap for 5 years.

I respect your post & opinion but there’s no way it makes sense to have $12 mil in dead money for five years. That could cripple us when we’re much better. Dead money is impossible to eliminate.

We’re not ready to make a big free agent move now anyway. Let’s be patient and get this money completely off our books entering 2023-24. We currently have $0 committed after that and I don’t want to see us tie up any money then or later with old deadwood.

 

[BankShot]

I think the contrasting differences between Nance and Love is that Nance is viewed as an unfortunate circumstance. A player who gives it his all out there every single time. The effort is appreciated.

Love on the other hand comes across as lazy. Kinda seems weak both physically and emotionally. I mean Bron was basically telling him to try to fit in 6 years ago.

Someone who seems to give a half ass effort. Pouty and just a brat.

For me that’s kinda like comparing Zydrunas vs Kemp. Love is reaching Kemp-like status…

Did you just compliment Big Z?

 

[cavsfever]

Love is supposed to be a star, and in the modern NBA he's just not. That's always been the problem going back to Lebron days. Other guys aren't supposed to be stars, they don't have the pay, the reputation, the expectations. You might want them to do better but maybe they just don't have it in them (e.g. hard to be mad at Okoro given his size and tools, it's easier to be made at Koby for drafting him where he did). I guess we have to conclude after all these years that Love just doesn't have it in him either, at least not in the modern game where length, athleticism, and mobility are so important, but it's a bitter pill to swallow and so draws complaint.

 

[Randolphkeys]

For me that’s kinda like comparing Zydrunas vs Kemp. Love is reaching Kemp-like status…

Exactly, people who don't check themselves begin to think Kevin Love is a crackhead.

That's why I'm checking y'all. It doesn't make any sense. You think it does... but nope, it makes no sense at all when daddy reads it.

 

[Rich]

He will have these stretches that every game that just define the Kevin Love experience.

Last night he was in transition defense. First guy back. He's in position to challenge a guard at the rim and just ducks out of way.

Then he comes down, pins Chris Paul under the basket, gets the ball from Sexton, and then somehow barely grazes the rim from a foot away with a 6'2 player on him.

He then proceeds to stand and complain to the ref as PHX heads down the court and scores.

Just the whole enchilada in about 25 seconds.

 

[weepinwillow]

He will have these stretches that every game that just define the Kevin Love experience.

Last night he was in transition defense. First guy back. He's in position to challenge a guard at the rim and just ducks out of way.

Then he comes down, pins Chris Paul under the basket, gets the ball from Sexton, and then somehow barely grazes the rim from a foot away with a 6'2 player on him.

He then proceeds to stand and complain to the ref as PHX heads down the court and scores.

Just the whole enchilada in about 25 seconds.

I love when they play the greatest hits!

 

[PIP]

Exactly, people who don't check themselves begin to think Kevin Love is a crackhead.

That's why I'm checking y'all. It doesn't make any sense. You think it does... but nope, it makes no sense at all when daddy reads it.

No, I wasn’t referring to Kemp as a crackhead… However (like Love) got an extension. Realized he wasn’t where he wanted to be (around a bunch of young/average players with no future) Used tactics to force his way out.

Kemp became unmotivated. Didn’t workout, work on his game wasn’t a leader. Just collected a check and was never heard from again really as an NBA player..

Love mopes around, has little bratty outbursts, provides no leadership and collects his check. Most likely will never be heard from again as an NBA player… He may have 1 or 2 quality seasons left. But will be probably half of what he was…

 

[guitarguy]

I have to say, there are times on Defense, I'm pretty sure he would have been better off just staying on the otherside of the court. Not only does he lose his man, but tends to block other Cavs from following their guys too.

 

[Rich]

I have to say, there are times on Defense, I'm pretty sure he would have been better off just staying on the otherside of the court. Not only does he lose his man, but tends to block other Cavs from following their guys too.

Eventually some enterprising team will start doing this and I'm not joking.

It would honestly be something a team should think about trying with a player like Love. Though he wouldn't go for it, I'm sure. It'd be embarrassing to be the first guy an NBA team used as a cherry-picker.

But at some point, teams will start doing this in spurts with really bad defensive players.

 

[MirORich]

Exactly, people who don't check themselves begin to think Kevin Love is a crackhead.

That's why I'm checking y'all. It doesn't make any sense. You think it does... but nope, it makes no sense at all when daddy reads it.

Just checking in as someone who does not and has never hated Kevin Love that basketball player or person but who wants Kevin Love off the team as soon as possible. If as soon as possible is when his deal expire’s, I accept that, but ideally it happens this summer

 

[mrWalrus]

He will have these stretches that every game that just define the Kevin Love experience.

Last night he was in transition defense. First guy back. He's in position to challenge a guard at the rim and just ducks out of way.

Then he comes down, pins Chris Paul under the basket, gets the ball from Sexton, and then somehow barely grazes the rim from a foot away with a 6'2 player on him.

He then proceeds to stand and complain to the ref as PHX heads down the court and scores.

Just the whole enchilada in about 25 seconds.

He's a Pro's Pro, if you know what I mean. LeBron taught him well.