Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[Lee]

Sexton & Allen.

We have bird rights for them. Its about cap issues not actual costs. If we had cap room above the MLE, who do we get to come to Cleveland and how much do we over pay? Is it worth it?

Love is lost money, no buy out and extend will fix that. He is not worth the contract, but is owed it. Love doesnt hurt re-signing any of our own players. He only hurts free agency OVER MLE which is about 10 mill, we wont get anyone worth it anyways, we are still rebuilding. Vets either go to cities like LA or NY or to Contenders, we are none of those right now.

Let his contract run out, Love isnt getting traded.

 

[Sumac13]

A question about Love and the $60M owed him. Assuming he is not bought out but is still injured, do the Cavs have insurance whereby part of his salary would be covered? Or are NBA players even insurable? From a financial point, if a significant part of his salary would be covered by insurance, then doing a buyout may not make the most sense.

For example, using Albert Belle as an example of a player having their team insure them:

Albert Belle's announcement during spring training that an arthritic hip was forcing him to retire from baseball with three years and $39 million left on a five-year, guaranteed contract sent shivers through the small but specialized industry that insures professional athletes.

The Baltimore Orioles stand to collect up to $27.3 million on the 70 percent of Belle's contract that they insured, making the claim one of the largest in sports and adding pressure to the already troubled economics of major league baseball, according to executives in the insurance industry and in baseball.

The approximate size of the Belle claim, which was confirmed by an Orioles spokesman, is likely to force insurance companies to raise premiums on similar policies and to be more restrictive on the types of injuries and ailments covered by those policies, according to industry experts.

EDIT ADD: Would the insurance only cover severe injuries, like compound fractures?

 

[Ohioplayer00]

Politely, those two things are nowhere close to similar.

Why aren’t they? Neither have had any coaching experience in the past. I’m just pointing out that fact. Don’t say it can’t happen because it has happened on more than one occasion. And who knows Love could turn out to be a great assistant

 

[CavsKermit]

A question about Love and the $60M owed him. Assuming he is not bought out but is still injured, do the Cavs have insurance whereby part of his salary would be covered? Or are NBA players even insurable? From a financial point, if a significant part of his salary would be covered by insurance, then doing a buyout may not make the most sense.

For example, using Albert Belle as an example of a player having their team insure them:


EDIT ADD: Would the insurance only cover severe injuries, like compound fractures?

The way it works under the CBA is that if a player medically retires, the league's doctor need to confirm that it is, in fact, a career ending situation. If they confirm, then Love still gets his money, but a year after he stops playing, his money falls off the Cavs books.

 

[sailfish]

Couldnt agree more. He has 2 years left and what 60 million. If he retires he wont get that money. People need to put themselves in Love's shoes, would you retire? Honestly? Ofcourse you wouldnt.

A buyout in my opinion doesnt make sense this year. Very seldom does a player take a buyout before his final year. I dont even know if Love makes another squad at this point, his body is so broken. I think he just ends up as a mascott for the team for the final 2 years. He doesnt need to ring chase, he has one, and does anyone think at this point that Love is even worth the vet min?

I think Love ends up retiring after the contract plays out.

Assuming the Cavs can’t trade Love, they’re planning to re-sign Jarrett Allen, & that they’re likely to pick Evan Mobley at #3, a buyout makes all the sense in the world. They need to free up playing time for Mobley and let Love move on to a veteran team, where he can chase another ring.

 

[dms]

A question about Love and the $60M owed him. Assuming he is not bought out but is still injured, do the Cavs have insurance whereby part of his salary would be covered? Or are NBA players even insurable? From a financial point, if a significant part of his salary would be covered by insurance, then doing a buyout may not make the most sense.

For example, using Albert Belle as an example of a player having their team insure them:


EDIT ADD: Would the insurance only cover severe injuries, like compound fractures?

Insurance covers career ending injuries after a player has missed a full year. Love doesn't have anything near a career ending injury, his body is just breaking down at an accelerated pace as he ages. I'm not even sure Love has an injury, I've never ever heard of the career ending calf strain. He could play today or tomorrow, just not well.

 

[Steve_424]

Once again, people in this thread blaming Love for signing the contract that was offered to him.

I remember when Kevin shuffled his shoes on the Stop to help us break a 52 year championship drought. I don’t remember Jim Thome, Bernie Kosar, Joshua Cribbs, Kenny Lofton, Joe Thomas, or any other beloved athletes getting the job done. So was Jim Thome stealing too?

One of these things is not like the others.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Why aren’t they? Neither have had any coaching experience in the past. I’m just pointing out that fact. Don’t say it can’t happen because it has happened on more than one occasion. And who knows Love could turn out to be a great assistant

Are you really asking why Steve Nash and Kevin Love are different? Let alone why Nash getting a head coaching job 5 years after he retired is different than Love retiring right now to be an assistant coach with the organization he's currently under contract with?

Because I really hope that isn't something that needs to be spelled out for someone on this forum...

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Why aren’t they? Neither have had any coaching experience in the past. I’m just pointing out that fact. Don’t say it can’t happen because it has happened on more than one occasion. And who knows Love could turn out to be a great assistant

Nash was a point guard who spent more than a decade running NBA offenses at a very high level. That is classic preparation for being a coach in the NBA. Love is a power forward never particularly known for leadership or anything else associated with being a coach.

 

[Mr. Orange]

One of these things is not like the others.

If you don’t think Cribbs was beloved then I guess you are one of those who skipped out on the Browns dark years.

 

[mhi]

I had set low expectations for this stint, but Love still managed to disappoint even those. My attitude towards him is actually transitioning from frustration and annoyance to apathy and pity.

At this point, we do need to man up and just send him home until his deal expires. I am sure that at this point, the constant rehab is taking a toll on his mental health. Then after his deal is up, he can decide if he wants to keep playing elsewhere.

Out of sight, out of mind.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

Nash was a point guard who spent more than a decade running NBA offenses at a very high level. That is classic preparation for being a coach in the NBA. Love is a power forward never particularly known for leadership or anything else associated with being a coach.

Magic and Zeke both bombed as coaches!
James Jones never known for leadership is a great GM right! People’s hate for Love on this board is incredible.

 

[Douglar]

He was great in his day, but now? Kevin's career is over. Cooked. Baked. Done for. He stinks.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Magic and Zeke both bombed as coaches!
James Jones never known for leadership is a great GM right! People’s hate for Love on this board is incredible.

If you think "Kevin Love is not retiring this year to coach the Cavs" is the same as "I irrationally hate Kevin Love" then I guess we're done here.

 

[Steve_424]

If you don’t think Cribbs was beloved then I guess you are one of those who skipped out on the Browns dark years.

Watched every game, the difference is those other guys are legendary players in Cleveland while Cribbs was an elite specialist.