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Did Koby Altman nail the rebuild?


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It just seems to fit Gilbert's MO v the Cavs stated wants for a coach at the time (young coach, player development guy, G-League experience possibly). Gilbert likes splashy "win the presser" moves. I do remember the articles showing how it was worked by Cavs scouts/department people who had connections to Beilien.. maybe so.
Gilbert also said he was sitting at home watching the Price is Right when people tracked his plane to Miami to meet with LeBron. He also said he would build out a new casino on land that over saw the river in back of the terminal tower once us voters agreed to write it into law that he gets to make money off Clevelanders gambling issues.
Just saying, Dan and the Beilien hire is a very Dan Gilbert move. Even if it wasn't him that time.
Sorry, I’m not buying it. Both JBB’s were Altman picks.
 
Why everyone still trying to push the John B on Gilbert when he said he had nothing to do with the hire? That’s on Altman. Unless there was an article stating otherwise? I remember the press conference where Gilbert said he didn’t even meet John B until Altman brought him in.
I recall Brian Windhorst alluding to John B being a Gilbert guy on his pod last year. As another poster mentioned, it completely makes sense given Gilbert's MO. If Gilbert still has his way with basketball decisions, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cavs pursue Chauncey Billups as head coach whenever JBB is probably inevitably canned.
 
Sorry, I’m not buying it. Both JBB’s were Altman picks.
I'm fine with that.
I recall Brian Windhorst alluding to John B being a Gilbert guy on his pod last year. As another poster mentioned, it completely makes sense given Gilbert's MO. If Gilbert still has his way with basketball decisions, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cavs pursue Chauncey Billups as head coach whenever JBB is probably inevitably canned.
Exactly. And I didn't hear the Windy pod, more just optics: Michigan roots, successful college coach, "out of the box" hire for where trends were headed in NBA...

I really hope they stick with Altman and JBB. A new GM and coach would mean ripping it all apart again.. (which a case could be made I guess). Team was playing OK before injuries really took hold, and it's clear they can't afford to lose Nance (so they may want to shore up who's backing him up). I do want them to pick one of their two G's and trade the other.
 
I'm fine with that.

Exactly. And I didn't hear the Windy pod, more just optics: Michigan roots, successful college coach, "out of the box" hire for where trends were headed in NBA...

I really hope they stick with Altman and JBB. A new GM and coach would mean ripping it all apart again.. (which a case could be made I guess). Team was playing OK before injuries really took hold, and it's clear they can't afford to lose Nance (so they may want to shore up who's backing him up). I do want them to pick one of their two G's and trade the other.
I'd like to at least get a look at this team with Nance in the mix along with an actual backup PG before I'm calling for heads to roll.

However, regardless of the talent on the floor, I'm not high on JBB.
 
If Dan fires Koby Altman, he'll just hire assistant GM Michael Gansey on a cheap deal.

Gansey was the one who had the relationship with Beilein and most likely was the driving force to get him to come to the Cavs. He even lived with the Beilein family at one point.
 
Look at the 2018-2020 lotteries. Almost exclusively the same teams, with a few exceptions. And pretty much, no player drafted in the 2018-2020 lottos has yet to transform their team or lead them anywhere.

These things take a LOT of time

For all the praise of SGA, OKC is still 12-19
SAC still 13-18
ATL and NOP still 13-17

Hell even Dallas currently with a losing record.

Now that doesn’t make Altman good or guarantee any of our young guys develop to the best of what the team envisioned or hoped for, but these things, these “build a winning franchise primarily through a consecutive run of 3-4 lotto picks”, take a long long time. LeBron was an anomaly. It almost never happens that quick.

We can judge the early returns and in most regards, at the moment they don’t look good. But do not treat guys with just a half season, one season or even three seasons of experience as static end results, especially when there’s at least 1-2 more high lotto picks joining them in the next two drafts. And yes, those guys will take some time too, so it is going to be at least another 2-3 years before we truly know if the rebuild started in 2018 can have a long term success.

Perhaps I shouldn’t post this in the Koby thread though as it’s more of a general take and not a defense or backing of him.
 
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That was one of the attractive things about taking the job," Beilein said of Altman. "I knew Mike Gansey really well but he had such great things to say about Koby and then during the whole process I could see a guy I would love to work for. Just love the direction of everything. Have great faith in each other. He’s letting me coach and at the same time he understands what we need in a roster and I think he’s going to build that.”

John B was an Altman hire.
 
I'm like the idiots who think millions of illegal votes were cast for Biden in PA.. If Jim walked into my office now and said, unequivocally Dan Gilbert had nothing to do with it other than giving his final blessing.. I still wouldn't believe it.

I can't help it, I'm just stupid on this one.
 
Gansey was the one who had the relationship with Beilein and most likely was the driving force to get him to come to the Cavs. He even lived with the Beilein family at one point.


It all started at Gansey's wedding where the entire FO got to meet Beilein, who Gansey considered a father figure. Mystery solved lol.
 
Look at the 2018-2020 lotteries. Almost exclusively the same teams, with a few exceptions. And pretty much, no player drafted in the 2018-2020 lottos has yet to transform their team or lead them anywhere.

These things take a LOT of time

For all the praise of SGA, OKC is still 12-19
SAC still 13-18
ATL and NOP still 13-17

Hell even Dallas currently with a losing record.

Now that doesn’t make Altman good or guarantee any of our young guys develop to the best of what the team envisioned or hoped for, but these things, these “build a winning franchise primarily through a consecutive run of 3-4 lotto picks, take a long long time. LeBron was an anomaly. It almost never happens that quick.

We can judge the early returns and in most regards, at the moment they don’t look good. But do not treat guys with just a half season, one season or even three seasons of experience as static end results, especially when there’s at least 1-2 more high lotto picks joining them in the next two drafts. And yes, those guys will take some time too, so it is going to be at least another 2-3 years before we truly know if the rebuild started in 2018 can have a long term success.

Perhaps I shouldn’t post this in the Koby thread though as it’s more of a general take and not a defense or backing of him.
Out of curiosity I compared the Cavs teams with the teams you listed:

Atlanta - 23rd ranked defense | 10th ranked offense | 21st ranked 3pt% | 3rd Opp 3pt%
Dallas - 26th ranked defense | 9th ranked offense | 25th ranked 3pt% | 18th Opp 3pt%
Sacramento - 30th ranked defense | 12th ranked offense | 14th ranked 3pt% | 29th Opp 3pt%
Oklahoma City - 14th ranked defense | 29th ranked offense | 27th ranked 3pt% | 5th Opp 3pt%
New Orleans - 29th ranked defense | 8th ranked offense | 15th ranked 3pt% | 28th Opp 3pt%

Cleveland - 25th ranked defense | 30th ranked offense | 30th 3pt% | 30th Opp 3pt%

I can make the case that Griffin might get fired before Koby does. Had the chance to draft Hunter but opted to trade the 4th pick and got Jaxson Hayes with the 8th pick, who is averaging 12.1 mpg which is less than his 16.9 mpg in his rookie season. Doubled down on horrible fits with Zion and traded for Steven Adams. With Giannis signing a long-term deal, the Jrue Holiday deal looks meh in hindsight. I guess he can keep the "trade a star player" carousel going and trade Ingram at a premium so we'll see.

The Kings had a chance to pair Fox with Doncic and blew it. Does that pairing work? I don't know but they could've traded Fox away for pieces that fit. Walton is probably getting fired very soon. Dallas didn't know that Seth Curry was the reason they had the greatest offense in history last year lol.


Anyway, you're 100% right, winning in this league is hard despite the narrative of it "just taking one guy." It takes top end talent and a competent FO building around said talent and even then a little luck.

Based on those numbers, Koby hasn't nailed the rebuild because we're inefficient everywhere mainly due to talent disparity as well as injuries and have been unlucky in the last two lotto's.
 
Garland, Sexton, Okoro, Windler, and Allen played a bunch of minutes together and we won. Made our shots and we played tough. Progress.
 
Garland, Sexton, Okoro, Windler, and Allen played a bunch of minutes together and we won. Made our shots and we played tough. Progress.
this game shows that if garland is aggressive, okoro looks for his shots and windler shoots from deep, we have a chance to win. they should do it every game.
 
If I’m Dan I’m giving Koby this off-season to tweak the roster and hopefully pick in the top 5. We desperately need a 3 who can get buckets, hoping for Kuminga. I’m totally on board with this roster going into next year.
Garland
Okoro
Kuminga
Love
Allen

Sexton
Windler
Prince
Nance
Free agents at C and PG
Stevens
Wade.
 

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