Koby Altman nailed, then failed to take breathalyzer…

[inliner311]

I really don't see the market for centers being that bad. We can probably get Allen at 16-18m per year. The only threat to sign away is Cha and they can offer a 4/90 at max which I would just match.

Charlotte is a good team to potentially be fighting for Allen with. They have 4 wing size players in LaMelo, Hayward, Bridges, and PJ Washington, they could give us Bridges in a sign and trade. If they don't want to do that they have Graham who is also a RFA so we might be able to get in on a 3 way deal to get a wing depending who is interested in Graham. They could also make a decision between Graham and Rozier which they could send Rozier to a 3rd team to in a 3 way trade.

 

[foucault87]

Charlotte is a good team to potentially be fighting for Allen with. They have 4 wing size players in LaMelo, Hayward, Bridges, and PJ Washington, they could give us Bridges in a sign and trade. If they don't want to do that they have Graham who is also a RFA so we might be able to get in on a 3 way deal to get a wing depending who is interested in Graham. They could also make a decision between Graham and Rozier which they could send Rozier to a 3rd team to in a 3 way trade.

Im not sure we could get Bridges in this kind of SnT. You usually aren't getting more than 60% value back and I would rate Bridges above Allen. If we could get like PJ and a future pick that might be reasonable value, but Id rather just keep Jarrett Allen at that point

 

[inliner311]

Im not sure we could get Bridges in this kind of SnT. You usually aren't getting more than 60% value back and I would rate Bridges above Allen. If we could get like PJ and a future pick that might be reasonable value, but Id rather just keep Jarrett Allen at that point

I think how much you get back in a sign and trade is how willing you are to match the offer. If we are absolutely willing to match the offer then I think we might be able to pull off something like this. I think Charlotte needs a center and Bridges was sent to the bench this year. They also have Jalen McDaniel who could slot in for Bridges.

It would come down to how much Charlotte really wants Allen. One of the 3 way trades might make more sense though. I'm not sure who would be interested in Rozier or Graham though.

Fedor did put out that the Cavs think Allen and Mobley could be a good pairing. It could be posturing for Allen's free agency when fielding sign and trade offers.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

I think how much you get back in a sign and trade is how willing you are to match the offer. If we are absolutely willing to match the offer then I think we might be able to pull off something like this. I think Charlotte needs a center and Bridges was sent to the bench this year. They also have Jalen McDaniel who could slot in for Bridges.

It would come down to how much Charlotte really wants Allen. One of the 3 way trades might make more sense though. I'm not sure who would be interested in Rozier or Graham though.

Fedor did put out that the Cavs think Allen and Mobley could be a good pairing. It could be posturing for Allen's free agency when fielding sign and trade offers.

I think Rozier would be more challenging to trade because of the fact that he’ll be an FA next year. I could see Miami, NY, or LAC being interested in him, but neither team has much the Cavs would want in return.

 

[Benway]

We got a fire-sale price on Drummond. Allen was at a serious cap-management discount. Hartenstein cost us an Amazon gift card. The market for Pivot... It's not too hot these days.

 

[adam81king]

We got a fire-sale price on Drummond. Allen was at a serious cap-management discount. Hartenstein cost us an Amazon gift card. The market for Pivot... It's not too hot these days.

Drummond might not play in the NBA in 2021...

Hartenstein was acquired dirt cheap.

You think there's a reason why?

Allen was, reluctantly, given up (in part) to get a top 10 player in the League.

 

[Derek]

Drummond might not play in the NBA in 2021...

Hartenstein was acquired dirt cheap.

You think there's a reason why?

Allen was, reluctantly, given up (in part) to get a top 10 player in the League.

If you want a good laugh, go to the Drummond thread in Dec/Jan and check out the numbers being thrown around for a potential contract.

 

[2 For The Brew]

If you want a good laugh, go to the Drummond thread in Dec/Jan and check out the numbers being thrown around for a potential contract.

All the Drummond frustration was worth it. Lakers we’re so sure they could take him at the buyout and he’d be the missing piece. He was the missing piece all right - the piece that helped LeBron to his only first round exit.

*** ring ***

“Hello, this is the GM”
”Dude, we got your offer, and it’s not what Andre is worth.”
”We know that, but we couldn’t offer less than the vet minimum.”

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

If you want a good laugh, go to the Drummond thread in Dec/Jan and check out the numbers being thrown around for a potential contract.

Dude is very clearly one of the top 3-5 players in the NBA at his position. Put some respect on his name

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[Cavatt]

Drummond and Nance were stealing 20% of the possessions when they played together on Defense. It was wild.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Drummond and Nance were stealing 20% of the possessions when they played together on Defense. It was wild.

I'm kind of excited to see Garland/Okoro/Mobley/Nance/Allen on the court... I know the concerns on offense, but I want to see what they can do together defensively.

 

[buzzdog]

Regardless of whether Mobley is the pick, I think Allen showed enough defensively that we should resign him (around $22-23m/per) and play he and Mobley together as part of a "twin towers" package. If Mobley truly has the range that we think he will, it wont matter (and part of their minutes can be staggered as well).

I know the season ended poorly, but don't underestimate what it is like for a young player to go from a championship contender/favorite, to a bottom-feeder. I think the flashes he showed were enough to justify a new contract (though I'm no less "casual" of a fan than you).

You're the first guy I've seen putting out a realistic number for Allen's value. It seems a lot of others think his ceiling should be around $16-17 mil. while they justify it by saying he'll never get any better than he was last season. Ludicrous.

 

[Deezus]

You're the first guy I've seen putting out a realistic number for Allen's value. It seems a lot of others think his ceiling should be around $16-17 mil. while they justify it by saying he'll never get any better than he was last season. Ludicrous.

Agreee! I mean, fucking Tristan Thompson got $16m/year years ago (2015/16 I think) and Allen is clearly the better player with a higher ceiling + general inflation.

 

[buzzdog]

Agreee! I mean, fucking Tristan Thompson got $16m/year years ago (2015/16 I think) and Allen is clearly the better player with a higher ceiling + general inflation.

They seem to say he's only worth the $16-17 mil while at the same time they also say he's going to insist on a max contract or bust. Like there's no middle ground. They say the same isht about Sexton, like we're going to be powerless to do anything besides either pay him the max or trade him for peanuts, either/or, with no possibility of a middle ground.

Just let them test the market as RFA and then either match or don't match, unless one of them wants to agree to a reasonable extension. In which case, anything around the $22-24 mil. range will end up looking pretty good after future cap increases.

 

[Man Called X]

You're the first guy I've seen putting out a realistic number for Allen's value. It seems a lot of others think his ceiling should be around $16-17 mil. while they justify it by saying he'll never get any better than he was last season. Ludicrous.

There's a legitimate argument about how much upside Allen has left. 4 years in the league, and his production has basically stayed the same regardless of how many minutes he's playing.

You see a guy playing 20 minutes a game, and see some nice Per 36 stats. The thought process is that more minutes will equal more production in those kinds of players. When you increase the minutes, but the end result is a flat line of production, he's got little upside left. Does that mean he can't improve? Not in the least, but what improvements you'll see are going to be minor things, not aspects that would increase his value or production on the floor.

Bringing up Tristan Thompson's contract is about the most ridiculous comparison I've seen. There's nothing comparable about Tristan to Allen. Tristan had the benefit of a Klutch overpay. There isn't a single person on this forum that wasn't bitching at his price tag. And what do you know, it was an untradeable contract, despite the incessant comments about how valuable he was.

I'll quite enjoy watching Allen be unable to be the one man defense that Gobert is, all while getting paid $24 million a year to do while we win 20 games a season.

Looking at Allen as a cornerstone of our team is the wrong idea. He's a solid complimentary piece that's going to give you his standard production when he's on the floor. He's not going to become a 20/10 all star that averages 3 blocks a game.

You pay him like a cornerstone, you're paying to be a lottery team.