Koby Altman nailed, then failed to take breathalyzer…

[Eli's Nipples]

When you constantly sit in last place, there's buttons standing out. I didn't get into full detail, but I can add a few more:

The decision of drafting KPJr and adding him to a culture-less team. The fallout to that was a waste of an asset.

The handling of Drummond. Even the weird idea of landing Drummond. Total desperation. But not getting a piece for him had fans losing faith in Koby.

Jarrett Allen falling in his lap was a godsend, and totally deserving to a young GM who's team was failing at developing any kind of continuity.

Not adding a wing in the off-season still shows its ugly head.

Mobley is the guy that makes this all work. Lost Sexton. Still good. Lose Rubio, still good.

Without Mobley, both JBB and Koby aren't seeing these nice extensions. Dan Gilbert, and fans are extremely satisfied with the Cavs direction and that's because Koby went through a few trials and tribulations, but now it's leveling out.

And back to Sexton, he wasn't the best selection at the 8th slot. Unfortunately SGA wanted no part of Cleveland. Michael Porter Jr got paid before Sexton because why? He's a better talent but a huge risk, and thankfully dodged.

Going forward, the button of starting Garland and Sexton will be a huge mistake, and that's on Koby to figure out.

Porter waste of asset? Cavs bought last pick in 1st round. Only asset lost was $$$ which didn't come out of your pocket

Drummond situation? Umm not even going to waste my time addressing this. Cavs fans fixation on criticizing low risk, high reward type transactions is a staple on this board.

Moving forward to your SGA sloberfest is typical RCF fandom that they think = facts.

How is SGA a definitively better player than Sexton? Stats don't bear it. On court impact doesn't bear it. I'll wait for your response

 

[Peacedog]

Sure. Rondo may yet surprise me. Who knows.

It's just been something of a shock to see he can't even make a simple layup these days. His athleticism is 90% gone.

When you make Ricky Rubio seem like Steph, you're gonna have trouble finding passing lanes.

He has an effective FG% of 54.2% so far. What would be "acceptable" in your eyes? BTW, the guy he was brought in to replace was at 43.4%. So you must REALLY think that guy sucked, right?

 

[Heat Check]

He has an effective FG% of 54.2% so far. What would be "acceptable" in your eyes? BTW, the guy he was brought in to replace was at 43.4%. So you must REALLY think that guy sucked, right?

Ricky had been pretty horrible on offense for a while before he got hurt, yes. But as someone said here recently, he was still able to constantly pressure defenses. Rondo offers nothing in that department at this stage of his career. He's hit a few truly flukey 3pt shots, but overall he's getting totally ignored on the perimeter.

That's a big problem for a PG whose main strength is supposed to be his passing.

 

[Real Deal]

Porter waste of asset? Cavs bought last pick in 1st round. Only asset lost was $$$ which didn't come out of your pocket

Drummond situation? Umm not even going to waste my time addressing this. Cavs fans fixation on criticizing low risk, high reward type transactions is a staple on this board.

Moving forward to your SGA sloberfest is typical RCF fandom that they think = facts.

How is SGA a definitively better player than Sexton? Stats don't bear it. On court impact doesn't bear it. I'll wait for your response

I can just look at Sexton’s VORP and see -0.9 compared to SGA's 5.9 and that'll tell you enough.

 

[saymac]

S G A did not want to come to cavs and would have left us with nothing .

 

[Eli's Nipples]

S G A did not want to come to cavs and would have left us with nothing .

He's not even that good to be arguing semantics about being chosen over Sexton or not. It's a ridiculous fantasy that a segment of this fanbase have made up to criticize Koby/Sexton

 

[Eli's Nipples]

I can just look at Sexton’s VORP and see -0.9 compared to SGA's 5.9 and that'll tell you enough.

How does that help OKC get wins? Oh wait, it doesn't

 

[JJ_PR]

S G A did not want to come to cavs and would have left us with nothing .

 

[JJ_PR]

Sexton was the right choice in 2018. It's not debatable imo. SGA didn't want to play here. Porter Jr. was medically red flagged. Gets paid, & subsequently goes on to miss the whole season. Cavs dodged a bullet.

SGA is better than Sexton, but the gap isn't that big. I'll admit though, I'm higher on Sexton than most. I like SGA, but I don't lose sleep over the fact that we didn't get him. We have Evan Mobley who more than makes up for not getting Gilgeous-Alexander.

Could the Cavs have ignored SGA's request of not wanting to play here, similar to the Dubs with Stephen Curry? Possibly. That said, you just have to move on. We got Collin Sexton out of that ordeal. It could've been a whole lot worse. Besides, not all people are like Steph. He's a humble guy who accepted his faith with dignity. Who knows how SGA would've handled being drafted by us. He very well could've requested a trade or something.

 

[cavsfever]

Made the defensive play to save the Kings game. You think Pangos or Goodwin is better?

This. Rondo literally won us the game last night.

No one expected him to be in the same universe as Ricky, and everyone thinks we’re still in the market for another backcourt playmaker.

I know it’s a bummer to see he’s not the Rondo of even two years ago, but we got him for nothing and he improved the team

 

[2 For The Brew]

Nope!

That's why we're still more or less fucked as far as the backcourt is concerned.

So why will his PT drop as the season goes on?

Losing Rubio is a big loss but I’m not yet ready to declare the backcourt effed. We’ve had some pretty horrible backcourts before SexLand. Jose Calderon was a nice guy and true pro but nowhere near Darius. I’m actually good with IceLand but I agree the backups are weak.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Even if there were zero tangible results of Rondo helping the team, having a player with his experience and acumen is absolutely invaluable for a guy like Garland's development.

I listened to Jared Dudley talk reverently about how much of a savant Rondo was, and he focused on their film sessions to illustrate his point. The way Rondo would break the game down and point things out that nobody else could floored him, and Dudley up to that point had been doing this A LONG TIME.

So even if the Rondo acquisition ends up looking like a giant "meh" when it comes to its effects on this particular season, I'm confident that it will overall positively impact Garland's approach to the game.

 

["MVP"]

Even if there were zero tangible results of Rondo helping the team, having a player with his experience and acumen is absolutely invaluable for a guy like Garland's development.

I listened to Jared Dudley talk reverently about how much of a savant Rondo was, and he focused on their film sessions to illustrate his point. The way Rondo would break the game down and point things out that nobody else could floored him, and Dudley up to that point had been doing this A LONG TIME.

So even if the Rondo acquisition ends up looking like a giant "meh" when it comes to its effects on this particular season, I'm confident that it will overall positively impact Garland's approach to the game.

Does getting the game-winning stop on Fox in his 3rd game with the team not count as a tangible result?

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Does getting the game-winning stop on Fox in his 3rd game with the team not count as a tangible result?

Does "even if there were..." count as a proclamation that there were not?

 

["MVP"]

Does "even if there were..." count as a proclamation that there were not?

Sorry, I misunderstood that. Thought you meant it that he hasn't contributed anything yet. We're on the same page that he's looked good so far, even if he's not quite the player that Rubio was for us.