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Murray before Haskins? Woah. I'll believe that when I see it.
I am of the belief that Kyler will not be successful in the NFL. I think he will measure 5'9 at beast and his arm strength is a bit suspect. I think the combination will make it very hard for him to throw to the sidelines and screens, goes and slants are the only throws he will make. Because of that he will have to use his athletic ability to run allot and his 180lb frame wont be able to handle the hits.
 

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I am of the belief that Kyler will not be successful in the NFL. I think he will measure 5'9 at beast and his arm strength is a bit suspect. I think the combination will make it very hard for him to throw to the sidelines and screens, goes and slants are the only throws he will make. Because of that he will have to use his athletic ability to run allot and his 180lb frame wont be able to handle the hits.
The running quarterbacks who "made it" were also stocky. Right now, Kyler is 35 pounds lighter than Mike Vick and Baker Mayfield. It will be interesting to watch it unfold, but he should follow his heart if his heart is in football.
 

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I am of the belief that Kyler will not be successful in the NFL. I think he will measure 5'9 at beast and his arm strength is a bit suspect. I think the combination will make it very hard for him to throw to the sidelines and screens, goes and slants are the only throws he will make. Because of that he will have to use his athletic ability to run allot and his 180lb frame wont be able to handle the hits.
Am I crazy to think he's almost not draftable given his size? We've seen QBs be successful at 6'0 and 5'11 now but again that's the exception not the rule. There is a BIG difference between 6'0 and 5'9.

His weight, or lack thereof, is also a major issue.
 

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Am I crazy to think he's almost not draftable given his size? We've seen QBs be successful at 6'0 and 5'11 now but again that's the exception not the rule. There is a BIG difference between 6'0 and 5'9.

His weight, or lack thereof, is also a major issue.
I agree that he is likely to struggle at the next level BUT it only takes 1 QB desperate team to make the call and he is a first rounder, or even a top 10 pick.

Like I was pretty sure Josh Allen was an awful pick. I could be wrong of course. But look where he went. Murray might not have nearly the sex appeal of Allen, but he did rip shit up on Saturday’s.
 

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I agree that he is likely to struggle at the next level BUT it only takes 1 QB desperate team to make the call and he is a first rounder, or even a top 10 pick.

Like I was pretty sure Josh Allen was an awful pick. I could be wrong of course. But look where he went. Murray might not have nearly the sex appeal of Allen, but he did rip shit up on Saturday’s.
He did rip shit up on Saturdays. So did Johnny Football. I'm in no way comparing him to Mr Football but just because you are an awesome college QB doesn't mean you will be that in the pros. There are countless examples from Lamar Jackson to Davis Webb to Brandon F'ing Weeding to Colt Brennan that just couldn't translate to the NFL. And yes, I am saying Lamar Jackson will not be a good NFL QB.
 

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Am I crazy to think he's almost not draftable given his size? We've seen QBs be successful at 6'0 and 5'11 now but again that's the exception not the rule. There is a BIG difference between 6'0 and 5'9.

His weight, or lack thereof, is also a major issue.
Undraftable? He is worth a risk. He is accurate, ok arm, and fast as fuck, he will post a 4.4 40 at the combine. May whole point with Baker pre-draft was that he really isn't short, he is basically 6,1 as he measured 6 feet 5/8. If he was 1 inch and 3/8 taller, or 6'2 he wouldn't even be considered short. A bit over an inch isn't a big deal (thats what she said). I wasn't a Baker fan because he played in the Big 12 where I couldn't judge him because of the terrible defenses. Well Mahommes and Baker himself have no proven to me that isn't an issue.

So I agree 5'9 is an issue, 180lbs is an issue, but its only an issue until that one special athlete proves us all wrong.

I know it sounds like I am speaking out of both sides of my mouth, but what I really mean is I just don't think I would take the risk in the first round with him, but as a 2nd round pick I think he is worth taking a risk. He will be very interesting to watch at the next level though. When you talk really short QB's, Doug Flutie comes to mind. And Doug Flutie at 5'10 180lbs had all types of issues and was way over rated, but I will say health was not one of his issues.
 

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He did rip shit up on Saturdays. So did Johnny Football. I'm in no way comparing him to Mr Football but just because you are an awesome college QB doesn't mean you will be that in the pros. There are countless examples from Lamar Jackson to Davis Webb to Brandon F'ing Weeding to Colt Brennan that just couldn't translate to the NFL. And yes, I am saying Lamar Jackson will not be a good NFL QB.
I think its too early to tell on Lamar. He did turn Baltimore around, but i get he isn't a great or accurate passer right now. He has the arm strength and could improve on accuracy. If I was a betting man I would agree, but there is enough to like with Lamar to not count him out just yet.
 

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He has the arm strength and could improve on accuracy.
Which happens...never.

It's not that receivers drop balls, or that he has poor anticipation or slow decision-making. It's just that the ball doesn't go where he's trying to throw it.
 

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Which happens...never.

It's not that receivers drop balls, or that he has poor anticipation or slow decision-making. It's just that the ball doesn't go where he's trying to throw it.
Brees completed 61% of his passes his 2nd year (the first as a starter), it happens.

Lamar has horrible foot work and placement which is partly why the ball sails. If he fixes that, we can see if it fixes his accuracy enough to make him a legit QB. Lamar is not Tebow, as Tebow just didn't have a pro arm in any form. I agree its not likely with Lamar, but to say never is just not, well, accurate.
 

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I’m surprised people don’t like Kyler’s arm... looks to me like he can place the ball really accurately and quickly. He also can throw far with pretty decent accuracy.

To me, the big question on Kyler has nothing to do with his QB ability, but it’s his size. By every measure, outside of size, Kyler is right up there with Baker, and he’s more athletic too.

My worry with Kyler is he’s just going to get broken. He’s soooooo small. It’s not just height, which I’m alright with, but I really don’t know how many hits Kyler can survive.
 

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I’m surprised people don’t like Kyler’s arm... looks to me like he can place the ball really accurately and quickly. He also can throw far with pretty decent accuracy.

To me, the big question on Kyler has nothing to do with his QB ability, but it’s his size. By every measure, outside of size, Kyler is right up there with Baker, and he’s more athletic too.

My worry with Kyler is he’s just going to get broken. He’s soooooo small. It’s not just height, which I’m alright with, but I really don’t know how many hits Kyler can survive.
Despite Mayfield exceeding my own expectations of him, I think that offense does give players an advantage in terms of how accurate or strong ones arm is.

Murray has a number of highlight throws this season where he drops it right in a bucket. But he generally throws with far less mechanics and lower body than Mayfield did at his worst.

They're really not much the same in terms of throwing motion or set up in the pocket.

For Murray to be successful, I think you need to find someone who is willing to throw out the traditional sets. Really go full on Air Raid principles and spread it out.

Murray isn't going to sit back there and pick NFL defenses apart. He's going to be timing, rhythm, just motioning you to death while opening up some killer running lanes the way Vick used to do.
 

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Despite Mayfield exceeding my own expectations of him, I think that offense does give players an advantage in terms of how accurate or strong ones arm is.

Murray has a number of highlight throws this season where he drops it right in a bucket. But he generally throws with far less mechanics and lower body than Mayfield did at his worst.

They're really not much the same in terms of throwing motion or set up in the pocket.

For Murray to be successful, I think you need to find someone who is willing to throw out the traditional sets. Really go full on Air Raid principles and spread it out.

Murray isn't going to sit back there and pick NFL defenses apart. He's going to be timing, rhythm, just motioning you to death while opening up some killer running lanes the way Vick used to do.
Yeah, these are good points. He’s definitely jitterish when he plays.

I was not trying to say he and Baker are the same. They’re obviously different. I just meant that a lot of the same efficiency stats people talked about with Baker are also held by Kyler.

Again, just from a football perspective, I do think he has a better chance then say, Lamar Jackson, to succeed in an NFL offense. Neither can do pro-style, but if I were a fan of a team running air raid, I’d much rather have Kyler.

Do you think Kyler will ever be able to be a pocket QB? If not then it is really limiting.
 

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Yeah, these are good points. He’s definitely jitterish when he plays.

I was not trying to say he and Baker are the same. They’re obviously different. I just meant that a lot of the same efficiency stats people talked about with Baker are also held by Kyler.

Again, just from a football perspective, I do think he has a better chance then say, Lamar Jackson, to succeed in an NFL offense. Neither can do pro-style, but if I were a fan of a team running air raid, I’d much rather have Kyler.

Do you think Kyler will ever be able to be a pocket QB? If not then it is really limiting.
Traditional pocket QB?

No, thats just never going to be his game. Some coaches tried to pigeon-hole Vick the same way.

In this era of Air Raid principles and constant offensive motion, misdirection and quick hitting plays, Murray could have a future in it.

I'm really torn on where to peg him, honestly. He's a really exciting player who needs to have the ball in his hands somehow.
 

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