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Kyler Murray Thread

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Let's be honest though, Mayfields success is helping to drive this. Murray may have been behind those guys if he comes out last year. However if they were coming out this year instead and trying to compete with murray after what mayfield did Murray is still very much in the conversation for #1
Lamar Jackson also helped Murray, who did break 1000 yards rushing in his final year at Oklahoma.

I think he could be good to great, but not HOF status like Mayfield... @bob2the2nd you probably saw some games. I didn’t catch your take on him.
 

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Lamar Jackson also helped Murray, who did break 1000 yards rushing in his final year at Oklahoma.

I think he could be good to great, but not HOF status like Mayfield... @bob2the2nd you probably saw some games. I didn’t catch your take on him.
my opinion. He just isnt the leader that Mayfield is. Baker can will his team to a victory, he can get an entire city/fan base to care again. How much of a leader murray is, i cant say. Dude could be great at really pushing his teammates, but he isnt close to the personality of Baker.

My on field performance comparison for Baker was a Brees/Wilson cross with a little bit of a Farve gun slinger/asshole thrown in.

Murray is a much shorter, less experienced RG3, combined with a good bit of mariota. He has everything those 2 had; quickness, escapability, accuracy, arm strength. But he has only started 14 games in his collegiate career, and i think looks to run to often (not as much as Jackson, but still doesnt hold the pocket like baker).

Ultimately i was never sold on Baker going number 1. I thought Baker would be a great 2-4 pick, but I just wasnt sure how he would be able to handle Cleveland. Ultimately i figured he would be another Russel wilson always top 10, but never top 3.

Back to Murray. I think a team trades into the top 5 to get him. I think he becomes a mix of mariota and RG3. If he can stay healthy he can absolutely make an impact. But i dont think he has the ceiling Baker has. Call it a top 12 QB, but never a top 5.
 

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I don't see the fire with Murray. He's got skills, but I don't see the burn for him to prove he's better than his peers. Figured when he made the decision to be all football and not baseball, he would want to prove that.

Him deciding to do no drills at the combine should hurt his stock. Instead of trying to prove if he should be the 1st QB taken, he's just given teams a reason to doubt him IMO. Murray might be a little too laid back to be a franchise QB. Doesn't seem like a QB you want when your team needs to establish an identity.
 

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my opinion. He just isnt the leader that Mayfield is. Baker can will his team to a victory, he can get an entire city/fan base to care again. How much of a leader murray is, i cant say. Dude could be great at really pushing his teammates, but he isnt close to the personality of Baker.

My on field performance comparison for Baker was a Brees/Wilson cross with a little bit of a Farve gun slinger/asshole thrown in.

Murray is a much shorter, less experienced RG3, combined with a good bit of mariota. He has everything those 2 had; quickness, escapability, accuracy, arm strength. But he has only started 14 games in his collegiate career, and i think looks to run to often (not as much as Jackson, but still doesnt hold the pocket like baker).

Ultimately i was never sold on Baker going number 1. I thought Baker would be a great 2-4 pick, but I just wasnt sure how he would be able to handle Cleveland. Ultimately i figured he would be another Russel wilson always top 10, but never top 3.

Back to Murray. I think a team trades into the top 5 to get him. I think he becomes a mix of mariota and RG3. If he can stay healthy he can absolutely make an impact. But i dont think he has the ceiling Baker has. Call it a top 12 QB, but never a top 5.
I hate the Baker/Brees comparison because its lazy (although seemingly becoming valid with his accuracy, lol), but I will say the thing that he is most like Brees is not size but leadership. Both seem to be able to rally a team around them like almost none others in the league.
 

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I don't see the fire with Murray. He's got skills, but I don't see the burn for him to prove he's better than his peers. Figured when he made the decision to be all football and not baseball, he would want to prove that.

Him deciding to do no drills at the combine should hurt his stock. Instead of trying to prove if he should be the 1st QB taken, he's just given teams a reason to doubt him IMO. Murray might be a little too laid back to be a franchise QB. Doesn't seem like a QB you want when your team needs to establish an identity.
I agree. I watched his interview at the combine and I wasn’t impressed. All these guys have skills, but a lot of these guys need more than that.
 

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