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Is "It's Hedley!" Lamar Stevens Better than Dear Dean Wade?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • No!

    Votes: 10 30.3%
  • I get that reference!

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • I'd like to keep both

    Votes: 5 15.2%
  • I really don't like new Star Trek

    Votes: 1 3.0%
  • Better at what? Dean is far superior at giving out hugs

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • Lamar. Such a cool name!

    Votes: 1 3.0%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 6 18.2%

  • Total voters
    33
Okoro shut him down (while on an island) on two straight possessions with less than a minute left. Or maybe like 1:30 or 2:00 idk but it was super crunchy time.
SGA was 7/19 overall and 3/10 in the second half. Okoro played 7 minutes in the first half and 12 in the second. He didn’t start either half so he was on the floor when the Cavaliers shut down the OKC offense, including SGA.

SGA got the better of him on occasion but Okoro won that battle when the game was on the line.

Okoro was out there instead of Stevens because Ice is a better defender.
 
SGA was 7/19 overall and 3/10 in the second half. Okoro played 7 minutes in the first half and 12 in the second. He didn’t start either half so he was on the floor when the Cavaliers shut down the OKC offense, including SGA.

SGA got the better of him on occasion but Okoro won that battle when the game was on the line.

Okoro was out there instead of Stevens because Ice is a better defender.

Windler was there because he is better than both!

+16 for the game BABY
 
Windler was there because he is better than both!

+16 for the game BABY
Raw +/- is not a reliable stat. Windler (+19), Okoro (+12) and Love (+10) were higher than Garland (+9). Does that mean Windler was roughly twice as good as Garland?

Windler did some nice things and played with aggression (which he needs to do consistently).

I know you’re likely kidding a bit but raw +/- is really a misleading stat. It rewards passengers equal to pilots with utterly no regards for a player’s actual contribution.

The stat “BPM” on basketball-reference.com is better imho. That has Windler fourth (1.3) behind Garland (15.4), Goodwin (7.6) and Lauri (4.4). Goodwin did a hell of a job in 11:37 holding the fort while Garland was resting - 4 rbs, 4 ast, a steal. Only 1/4 for two points but can live with that. It shows just how important good PG play is to our team.

Windler’s problem now is he’s on a good team. He won’t be handed minutes - he’ll have to earn them. That means going in every time with an aggressive attitude and making things happen. That’s what Goodwin did from the start, and look at how he blew past Pangos. If Windler shows something, he’ll get minutes - as shown against OKC when JBB, properly, left him in. My guess is he’ll get more chances based on OKC but he’d better bring the same urgency every time. I don’t ever care if he misses 3pt shots - we all know he can shoot - but he has to get them off. It’s really not up to JBB - it’s up to Dylan.
 
I think we will see more Dylan as our schedule eases.. It's in JBB's interest to develop his options.. That's if he is not traded.. I think Sexton + Windler is good enough to get a more veteran wing from a non contender.. maybe Powell if we include Rubio.. ( not sure the numbers work.. ) ..
 
I think we will see more Dylan as our schedule eases.. It's in JBB's interest to develop his options.. That's if he is not traded.. I think Sexton + Windler is good enough to get a more veteran wing from a non contender.. maybe Powell if we include Rubio.. ( not sure the numbers work.. ) ..

It's pretty obvious that when guys hit their shots, the team is basically unbeatable. Spacing should be a priority going forward. I don't think we can add a piece at this point who isn't a good shooter.
 
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SGA was out there waving away screens and then he literally ran past Okoro with the ball, even though Okoro was sagging back like 10 feet. I am not joking. This happened again and again. Okoro had no aswer for him.
Disingenuous at best. SGA went 2-for-2 from the field in the first half plus drew a pair of FTs against Okoro in the first half. In the second half? By my count, as the primary defender Isaac held Shai to 0-for-4 from the field including a block and forced turnover, and sent him to the FT line once. Not to mention the handful of times SGA couldn't even get a shot off on Okoro.

It started off ugly as Shai crossed Isaac up pretty badly after running him through two screens, then on the next possession caught him flat-footed and blew by him. That was the last bucket SGA got with Okoro as the primary defender. I'd say Isaac came up with an answer for him.
 
I think we will see more Dylan as our schedule eases.. It's in JBB's interest to develop his options.. That's if he is not traded.. I think Sexton + Windler is good enough to get a more veteran wing from a non contender.. maybe Powell if we include Rubio.. ( not sure the numbers work.. ) ..
Powell for sexton and rubio??? Hard pass
 
Disingenuous at best. SGA went 2-for-2 from the field in the first half plus drew a pair of FTs against Okoro in the first half. In the second half? By my count, as the primary defender Isaac held Shai to 0-for-4 from the field including a block and forced turnover, and sent him to the FT line once. Not to mention the handful of times SGA couldn't even get a shot off on Okoro.

It started off ugly as Shai crossed Isaac up pretty badly after running him through two screens, then on the next possession caught him flat-footed and blew by him. That was the last bucket SGA got with Okoro as the primary defender. I'd say Isaac came up with an answer for him.

Okoro looked rusty in the first half I think. He was initially getting beat, but adjusted well. Locked down at the end
 
It's pretty obvious that when guys hit their shots, the team is basically unbeatable. Spacing should be a priority going forward. I don't think we can add a piece at this point who isn't a good shooter.
Shooting 39% from 3, not sure what you want.. strong differential at sf.. good defender.

A scorer on par with Sexton, but can defend the three and operate off ball or facilitate..

He is the kind of guy that could move our needle.. IMO.. question marks, is he tall enough, does he have the handles to spell Garland as a guard? The are legit questions, but he has a decent track record playing with Dame..
 
Raw +/- is not a reliable stat. Windler (+19), Okoro (+12) and Love (+10) were higher than Garland (+9). Does that mean Windler was roughly twice as good as Garland?

Windler did some nice things and played with aggression (which he needs to do consistently).

I know you’re likely kidding a bit but raw +/- is really a misleading stat. It rewards passengers equal to pilots with utterly no regards for a player’s actual contribution.

The stat “BPM” on basketball-reference.com is better imho. That has Windler fourth (1.3) behind Garland (15.4), Goodwin (7.6) and Lauri (4.4). Goodwin did a hell of a job in 11:37 holding the fort while Garland was resting - 4 rbs, 4 ast, a steal. Only 1/4 for two points but can live with that. It shows just how important good PG play is to our team.

Windler’s problem now is he’s on a good team. He won’t be handed minutes - he’ll have to earn them. That means going in every time with an aggressive attitude and making things happen. That’s what Goodwin did from the start, and look at how he blew past Pangos. If Windler shows something, he’ll get minutes - as shown against OKC when JBB, properly, left him in. My guess is he’ll get more chances based on OKC but he’d better bring the same urgency every time. I don’t ever care if he misses 3pt shots - we all know he can shoot - but he has to get them off. It’s really not up to JBB - it’s up to Dylan.
I think BPM is a far worse stat than +/-. It's fair to say that using raw +/- over a single game sample size is garbage, but BPM is a projection of value based on extrapolations from the box score numbers. Over a larger sample size, if BPM isn't matching up with +/-, then you have a serious problem with a player because he's not adding the value he should be on a consistent basis. It likely means you have a Drummond-type of situation on your hands, where he's getting his, but the team still isn't finishing ahead on the scoreboard.

BPM, like PER, basically ignores actual defensive impact. Even DBPM is flawed in this regard. It rewards guys who gamble on steals and leave their player unguarded when they miss, or it rewards guys who are in position to grab defensive rebounds because they don't contest shots (cough, K. Love, cough). Over larger sample sizes, +/- and on/off numbers are more closely correlated to a player's impact on scoreboard, which ultimately, is the most important stat there is.

If Windler can help space the floor, then you can call him a passenger if you like, but if the team as a unit performs better as result, his impact is positive.
 
I think BPM is a far worse stat than +/-. It's fair to say that using raw +/- over a single game sample size is garbage, but BPM is a projection of value based on extrapolations from the box score numbers. Over a larger sample size, if BPM isn't matching up with +/-, then you have a serious problem with a player because he's not adding the value he should be on a consistent basis. It likely means you have a Drummond-type of situation on your hands, where he's getting his, but the team still isn't finishing ahead on the scoreboard.

BPM, like PER, basically ignores actual defensive impact. Even DBPM is flawed in this regard. It rewards guys who gamble on steals and leave their player unguarded when they miss, or it rewards guys who are in position to grab defensive rebounds because they don't contest shots (cough, K. Love, cough). Over larger sample sizes, +/- and on/off numbers are more closely correlated to a player's impact on scoreboard, which ultimately, is the most important stat there is.

If Windler can help space the floor, then you can call him a passenger if you like, but if the team as a unit performs better as result, his impact is positive.
I think most statistical measures of defensive play are limited for the reasons you mentioned.

I didn’t call Windler a passenger. I made a general point. For example, if two opposing point guard each dribble down and shoot 0/4 and 4/4 from 3 then everyone on the floor is +/- 12 for that stretch but other than the PGs and whoever got the DRBs everyone else is a passenger. Extreme example to illustrate the point.
 
I think most statistical measures of defensive play are limited for the reasons you mentioned.

I didn’t call Windler a passenger. I made a general point. For example, if two opposing point guard each dribble down and shoot 0/4 and 4/4 from 3 then everyone on the floor is +/- 12 for that stretch but other than the PGs and whoever got the DRBs everyone else is a passenger. Extreme example to illustrate the point.
Which is why you have to use larger sample sizes for all of these. My point is that if there's a significant delta between +/- and BPM over large sample sizes, the data is telling you something and the more accurate predictor is likely to be +/-.
 

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