Let it all out. The Cavaliers Rant Thread

[brownindian]

No.

Dan is heavy handed at times, but I also think he lets his GMs have some autonomy to negotiate deals and do their jobs. It's not an "either/or" situation.

I am not referring to the David Griffin days, but the Kyrie Trade and beyond. I thought he was in the negotiations with the Boston team about what the Cavs will get for Kyrie.

 

[TitleTown]

I am not referring to the David Griffin days, but the Kyrie Trade and beyond. I thought he was in the negotiations with the Boston team about what the Cavs will get for Kyrie.

I'm referring to everything. Dan gets heavy handed at times, but he mostly lets his GMs do their jobs. Dan is a good small market owner. He's not perfect, but he's better than many.

 

[brownindian]

I'm referring to everything. Dan gets heavy handed at times, but he mostly lets his GMs do their jobs. Dan is a good small market owner. He's not perfect, but he's better than many.

I am not at all disagreeing with that assessment - It is Dans willingness to do what ever it takes and LeBrons/Kyries talents that got us this championship.

 

[Cassity14]

No.

Dan is heavy handed at times, but I also think he lets his GMs have some autonomy to negotiate deals and do their jobs. It's not an "either/or" situation.

Wasn't the split with Griffin because Griffin wanted autonomy written into his contract and Dan wouldn't do it?

IIRC, Griffin wanted full power over basketball decisions and that was the cause of their mutual decision to split.

It was also pretty widely regarded that Dan was so high on the Boston trade because of the Brooklyn pick, and we know about the things he meddled in while Chris Grant was here.

I love what passion and finance Dan has brought to this organization, but he's certainly more involved with the front office than your average owner.

 

[Cavatt]

Wasn't the split with Griffin because Griffin wanted autonomy written into his contract and Dan wouldn't do it?

IIRC, Griffin wanted full power over basketball decisions and that was the cause of their mutual decision to split.

It was also pretty widely regarded that Dan was so high on the Boston trade because of the Brooklyn pick, and we know about the things he meddled in while Chris Grant was here.

I love what passion and finance Dan has brought to this organization, but he's certainly more involved with the front office than your average owner.

Reports he asked for a huge salary too.

 

[TitleTown]

Wasn't the split with Griffin because Griffin wanted autonomy written into his contract and Dan wouldn't do it?

IIRC, Griffin wanted full power over basketball decisions and that was the cause of their mutual decision to split.

It was also pretty widely regarded that Dan was so high on the Boston trade because of the Brooklyn pick, and we know about the things he meddled in while Chris Grant was here.

I love what passion and finance Dan has brought to this organization, but he's certainly more involved with the front office than your average owner.

Yep. Which is why I said it's not a simple either/or situation. Gilbert wants to dabble from time to time, and seems to get directly involved in certain decisions. I'm not sure that's always a good thing, but overall Dan has spent a shitload of $$$ on this franchise. And that puts him in the "good" column more so than the "bad" column in my opinion.

 

[cavsfever]

Dan Gilbert is a bad owner who has built a bad organization. Bad doesn't mean horrible -- he's not a really horrible owner and bad person a la Donald Sterling. Gilbert is willing to spend money, he means well, and he did win a championship. But the bottom line is that he got one of the greatest gifts that any basketball organization has ever received -- a solid decade of arguably the best player ever to play the game -- and he failed not once but TWICE to build a good roster around him.

Never before has an owner failed to build a good roster around a great player, and then gotten a complete do-over to try again. He had four years, five lottery picks (including an unprecedented three #1s!), and an empty payroll giving him financial freedom. But once again Gilbert's organization failed to put a solid core around Lebron.

The "drama" we have seen over the past four years isn't Lebron's fault, it's the result of the inability of the organization to put in place a solid roster core that would allow the team to live up to the expectations that naturally come with having an all-time great player. A failure that culminated in the disastrous Kyrie trade.

 

[avs2000]

Dan Gilbert is a bad owner who has built a bad organization. Bad doesn't mean horrible -- he's not a really horrible owner and bad person a la Donald Sterling. Gilbert is willing to spend money, he means well, and he did win a championship. But the bottom line is that he got one of the greatest gifts that any basketball organization has ever received -- a solid decade of arguably the best player ever to play the game -- and he failed not once but TWICE to build a good roster around him.

Never before has an owner failed to build a good roster around a great player, and then gotten a complete do-over to try again. He had four years, five lottery picks (including an unprecedented three #1s!), and an empty payroll giving him financial freedom. But once again Gilbert's organization failed to put a solid core around Lebron.

The "drama" we have seen over the past four years isn't Lebron's fault, it's the result of the inability of the organization to put in place a solid roster core that would allow the team to live up to the expectations that naturally come with having an all-time great player. A failure that culminated in the disastrous Kyrie trade.

would have been a lot easier to build around lebron if he would have signed a long term deal and announced he is not leaving cleveland. Would have been much easier to attract another superstar.

It is not all Gilberts fault, not all Lebron's fault either....just somewhere in the middle

 

[jhollandsworth]

He had four years, five lottery picks (including an unprecedented three #1s!), and an empty payroll giving him financial freedom. But once again Gilbert's organization failed to put a solid core around Lebron.

What are you smoking? He put Kyrie and Kevin Love next to James. That's a pretty solid core. You can't fault the Cavs for the first year loss against the Warriors, considering Love was out the entire series and Kyrie was out all but one game (and he wasn't close to 100% for that game). The next year, they beat the greatest regular season team of all-time. Then it just so happens that the best team of all-time added the second best player in the league. None of that is Gilbert's fault. The Cavs would likely have three championships right now if it wasn't for the Warriors and we should be really grateful for the championship we do have.

 

[kookoo]

Not a Cavs rant, but it's a basketball rant for comparing eras between now and the 80s-90s.

First off, the argument that hand checking was this incredible rule for defenders that allowed guys to foul with no repercussion is a joke. If you hit a guy, that was still a foul. The basic explanation: As the defender, you used to be able to touch the player you were guarding with your hands. You couldn't put your hands on him and hold him, you couldn't KEEP your hands on him, like a grab, but you were allowed to reach out with your hand and touch his arm, or his wrist, or leg, etc.

First off, every single player who has ever guarded LeBron has hand checked him. And hasn't been called for it. Bojan was basically pressed up against LeBron with his hands draped all over him. On top of that, the average free throws per game have dropped by nearly 10 attempts since Jordan was drafted. So less fouls were called, my ass. Additionally, refs now call less fouls to speed up the game. Back then, you could have like 600 possessions per game because refs would call

Because of the lack of 3 point shooting, the zone was so much easier where you could have a guy defend the rim (Rodman), another just trolling for steals (Jordan...) and defend like one three point shooter man up. If that team was in the modern NBA, having to guard 5s who can take it from anywhere on the court, Jordan would not have won as many DPOYs. He'd have to play much more one on one defense.

Just because the league was filled with dirty players, doesn't mean the defense was better. A foul was a foul, was a foul. And every team used it to their advantage.

I think NBA analysts might be the worst sports analysts through all major markets. I hate the fact that I still pay attention to them, but work starts off slow...

 

[Dr. Claw]

Didn't want to clog up the LeBron thread with a rant.
Why the hell can't this team ever draft or attract talent, even with LeGOAT? Idiots are gonna hang 3-6* over him because he can't beat lesser talents who assemble to something greater than the sum of their parts.

JUST.... BULLSHIT. I'd have rather the Cavs gone out in the ECF just to avoid this outcome

 

[I'mWithDan]

I'd have rather the Cavs gone out in the ECF just to avoid this outcome

I think it's easy to have this attitude but 5 years from now, I suspect a lot of you will wish you enjoyed this a little more, even if we go 1-3 over this stretch. Less than half the league has won an NBA title.

Even with some brutal defeats, it's been incredible to watch LeBron drag such inferior teams this close to the finish line. This level of basketball is something I'm confident I will never see again in my lifetime.

The only time the journey doesn't feel like it is worth it is when you don't get over the hump. Thankfully we aren't the Buffalo Bills in this scenario.

As a small market team, we'll be lucky to go to 4 NBA finals over the next 50 years. Just enjoy the ride. The 2016 season will live on for ever.....the only what if I truly have is game 1 this year....all the others, it's just part of the story.

Again, there's no shame in losing to a team that has effectively 4 All-Star players.....it just is what it is. No one knew Durant would be such a pussy that he'd ruin the NBA after our 2016 title run.

 

[Triple-S]

If Durant would have declined going to GSW? That franchise would have crumbled. Green and Curry have both shown moments of insane mental weakness. Eventually that team would have been ripped to shreds.

I think Houston takes them out in 2017 and we would have never heard from them again. A gut feeling.

But Durant gave them something to huff and puff about. They knew they no longer had a major obstacle in their way in the west and there was no physical way

It really was and still is pathetic.

 

[gaitano]

Dan Gilbert is a bad owner who has built a bad organization. Bad doesn't mean horrible -- he's not a really horrible owner and bad person a la Donald Sterling. Gilbert is willing to spend money, he means well, and he did win a championship. But the bottom line is that he got one of the greatest gifts that any basketball organization has ever received -- a solid decade of arguably the best player ever to play the game -- and he failed not once but TWICE to build a good roster around him.

Never before has an owner failed to build a good roster around a great player, and then gotten a complete do-over to try again. He had four years, five lottery picks (including an unprecedented three #1s!), and an empty payroll giving him financial freedom. But once again Gilbert's organization failed to put a solid core around Lebron.

The "drama" we have seen over the past four years isn't Lebron's fault, it's the result of the inability of the organization to put in place a solid roster core that would allow the team to live up to the expectations that naturally come with having an all-time great player. A failure that culminated in the disastrous Kyrie trade.

Lebron is a multi-millionaire player, his powers will soon fade. Dan is a multi-billionaire captain of finance, his kind rule the Earth. Some people try to make it seem like it is an equal battle: it ain't. LeBron trying to maintain his independence and leverage is mostly a bluff, Dan holds the real power. Dan could have been the bigger man, not hedged, and went for the win now package, instead he hedged. If anything that created a self-fulfilling prophecy that Lebron could leave, and he could leave but this isn't 2010. LeBron's years of leverage left can be counted on one hand. I think he stays, still, but Dan's little-man ego compared the LeBron's heroics dragging this team to the finals is an embarrassment to Gilbert, he could have done more...

 

[Tlyons]

I'll never forget when the league stepped in to protect this warriors team from Lebron destroying them with the likes of JR, JC, JG on his squad.