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sportscoach said:
Bichette can play 2B as well, Biggio knows how to play OF, 1B and 3B. His best position is 2B, but adding Lindor to the lineup, i am sure the guys would be alright with moving to other positions.
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Maybe ask for Biggio in return for Lindor.
 
DCTribefan said:
Maybe ask for Biggio in return for Lindor.
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I am pretty sure he is in the "untouchable" list. He is one the guys they wanna build around.

Its actually quite possible they move Biggio or Bichette to 3B if they get Lindor with Guerrero going to 1B. They have Tellez though for 1B as well, but its likely Biggio and Bichette will move around.

Now who we could target from Toronto? They don't have a bad farm, but they don't have a lot of players that we want for right now. I doubt Pearson is available, so a deal around Martin/ Woods Richardson is likely,

Do something like RHP Woods-Richardson, SS/OF Austin Martin, RHP Kloffenstein/Pardinho, C Riley Adams, and OF Dasan Brown type.

A trade with Toronoto will be heavy future based with very little MLB guys since they want to move to win now.
 
sportscoach said:
I am pretty sure he is in the "untouchable" list. He is one the guys they wanna build around.

Its actually quite possible they move Biggio or Bichette to 3B if they get Lindor with Guerrero going to 1B. They have Tellez though for 1B as well, but its likely Biggio and Bichette will move around.

Now who we could target from Toronto? They don't have a bad farm, but they don't have a lot of players that we want for right now. I doubt Pearson is available, so a deal around Martin/ Woods Richardson is likely,

Do something like RHP Woods-Richardson, SS/OF Austin Martin, RHP Kloffenstein/Pardinho, C Riley Adams, and OF Dasan Brown type.

A trade with Toronoto will be heavy future based with very little MLB guys since they want to move to win now.
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Toronto is an excellent suggested trade partner..

The Jays are fully on the upswing and are in need of a "now" player of Lindor's skill/ability. The Jays have the financial resources to support a long term deal and have the youth / prospects to fully satisfy the Indians and their needs.. I could see one of two ways to approach a deal with the Jays.. but both MUST start w/ a Lindor extension.. that's a deal breaker for any deal with the Jays from the Jay's perspective....

The Tribe sends:

Francisco Lindor and one prospect from a choice of Logan Allen Scott Moss and Sam Hentges. The Jays can also choose the selection the Indians Competitive Balance Lottery pick, instead.

The Jays send:

Option One: Lourdes Gurriel Jr, Jordan Groshans (3), and Adam Kloffenstein (10)
Option Two: Austin Martin (2) and Alek Manoah (5)

The first option would be my preference.. but only slightly because Alek Manoah is going to be a beast, imho..

Thoughts?
 
Lindor to Toronto for Hernandez and Gurriel Jr.
 
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7:07 Odds on a Lindor trade and what they might get in return?
Mark P
7:09 I think Lindor is as good as gone. I'd expect the return to be a lesser version of what the Dodgers gave up for Betts last offseason....an MLB-ready young player, a top prospect, and another decent but not top tier prospect.
 
I think most of us agree that Lindor is a goner. Many thought the Dodgers were a likely destination, but I'm not so sure any longer. I think that the Reds, Braves, Yankees, and Blue Jays are more realistic. Who I do think that the Dodgers would break the bank for is Ramirez. Before you get your panties in a bunch, I'm not advocating that the Indians should do it by any means. I can just see the Dodgers motivation. How crazy would it be if the Indians traded Ramirez to the Dodgers for Smith, Lux, and Gray then traded Lindor to the Braves for Riley, Waters, and Muller? Or to the Reds for Senzel, Aquino, and Greene? Or to the Mets for Nimmo and Davis?

The depth with Dodgers and Braves deals:
1B- Naylor, Jones, Bradley, Bauers
2B- Miller, Freeman, Chang,
3B- Riley, Jones, Chang
SS- Lux, Freeman, Miller, Chang
C- Smith, Hedges
LF- Riley, Naylor, Luplow, Mercado
CF- Waters, Mercado, Johnson
RF- Johnson, Luplow
DH- Reyes
SP- Bieber, Carrasco, Plesac, Quantrill, Civale, McKenzie, Gray, Muller, Allen, Moss
BP- Karinchak, Clase, Wittgren, Maton, Hill, Gose, Hentges, Nelson

The depth with Dodgers and Reds deals:
1B- Naylor, Jones, Bradley, Bauers
2B- Miller, Freeman, Chang
3B- Senzel, Jones, Chang
SS- Lux, Freeman, Miller, Chang
C- Smith, Hedges
LF- Aquino, Naylor, Luplow, Mercado
CF- Mercado, Johnson, Senzel
RF- Johnson, Luplow, Reyes
DH- Reyes
SP- Bieber, Carrasco, Plesac, Quantrill, Civale, McKenzie, Gray, Greene, Allen, Moss
BP- Karinchak, Clase, Wittgren, Maton, Hill, Gose, Hentges, Nelson

The depth with Dodgers and Mets deals:
1B- Naylor, Jones, Bradley, Bauers
2B- Miller, Freeman, Chang
3B- Jones, Davis, Chang
SS- Lux, Freeman, Miller, Chang
C- Smith, Hedges
LF- Davis, Mercado, Bauers, Luplow
CF- Johnson, Mercado
RF- Nimmo, Johnson, Luplow
DH- Reyes
SP- Bieber, Carrasco, Plesac, Quantrill, Civale, McKenzie, Gray, Allen, Moss
BP- Karinchak, Clase, Wittgren, Maton, Hill, Gose, Hentges, Nelson

I'm an advocate of talent even if somewhat unproven, and all 3 of those depth charts are loaded with it. Like I said, I'm not advocating trading Ramirez, but if the Dodgers are going to sacrifice any of their beloved young players and/or prospects then it will be for Ramirez not Lindor. A line up consisting of these players may wear on our patience, or the stars could align and they could wreak havoc on opposing pitchers. I do have confidence that they would be very competitive and give you more offense then we witnessed this season. Every single pitcher listed is under control for the foreseeable future. Wittgren is the first to become a FA in 23 followed by Carrasco in 24.

Guys like Chang, Mercado, Bradley, and Bauers may find it difficult to find their way onto the 25 man roster, but that's ok. It means either the younger, newer acquisitions out played them or they finally realized their talents. Regardless, a roster like this would excite me far more than one that had DeShields, Perez, , Leon, Naquin, Santana, Plutko, Cimber, and M. Freeman on it.
 
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Gson said:
Two starting OF'ers would seriously damage team continuity/chemistry.. one, maybe..
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I dont think they would actually give up either guy to be honest. They are trying to fill in the last piece in the lineup, not create more holes.

Shapiro setup the current Indians system, and honestly he only trades when he pluses in his mind. He isnt going to trade an established player back in the Lindor deal. He will only trade prospects and thats why Blue Jays aren't a match for me for Lindor. I'd rather go with a deal with the Mets around Jeff McNeil
 
sportscoach said:
I dont think they would actually give up either guy to be honest. They are trying to fill in the last piece in the lineup, not create more holes.

Shapiro setup the current Indians system, and honestly he only trades when he pluses in his mind. He isnt going to trade an established player back in the Lindor deal. He will only trade prospects and thats why Blue Jays aren't a match for me for Lindor. I'd rather go with a deal with the Mets around Jeff McNeil
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Not so fast... It would come down to what the Jays see as their window of contention versus what they must spend to get over the top... Thirty years ago, the early 90's successes in Toronto was the gold standard or legacy the current Jays would love to emulate. The Jays are in the unique position of having a large group of inexpensive & talented players. The Jays have only almost $ 54 MM committed for the 2021 season...

And they can get there if.. the Francisco Lindor ($ 24 MM) acquisition for Lourdes Gurriel Jr. (three years, $ 3.5/$ 4.5/$ 5.4 MM), Jordan Groshans and Adam Kloffenstein happens followed by signing:

Michael Brantley (1 + 1, contract: $ 8.5 MM)
Trevor Bauer 1 year, $ 32 MM

The Jays would then project a 2021 payroll of only $ 135 MM and that would include all their arbitration and league minimum players. The Jays would also be able to extend Frankie is they so chose.. or, if Mark/Cherny do their job.. make it a condition of the deal.. a 72 hour window before the deal is announced to sign Frankie to an extension.. This would give the Jays a starting/everyday lineup of:

Catcher: Jansen
IF: Vlad Jr, Biggio, Lindor and Bichette
OF: Teoscar Hernandez, Randle Grichul Michael Brantley,

SP: Bauer, Ryu, Pearson, Shoemaker, Ray, Roarke, etc etc..

This lineup of regulars & starting staff is as solid as any.. With Austin Martin as the heir apparent in CF.. The Jays stong pitching farm system only needs the one year of Bauer.. and they'd be on their way..

Giving away Gurriel but getting Lindor makes the Jays infield, perhaps, the most formidable in baseball, imho..

Thoughts?..
 
CDAV45 said:
I think most of us agree that Lindor is a goner. Many thought the Dodgers were a likely destination, but I'm not so sure any longer. I think that the Reds, Braves, Yankees, and Blue Jays are more realistic. Who I do think that the Dodgers would break the bank for is Ramirez. Before you get your panties in a bunch, I'm not advocating that the Indians should do it by any means. I can just see the Dodgers motivation. How crazy would it be if the Indians traded Ramirez to the Dodgers for Smith, Lux, and Gray then traded Lindor to the Braves for Riley, Waters, and Muller? Or to the Reds for Senzel, Aquino, and Greene? Or to the Mets for Nimmo and Davis?

The depth with Dodgers and Braves deals:
1B- Naylor, Jones, Bradley, Bauers
2B- Miller, Freeman, Chang,
3B- Riley, Jones, Chang
SS- Lux, Freeman, Miller, Chang
C- Smith, Hedges
LF- Riley, Naylor, Luplow, Mercado
CF- Waters, Mercado, Johnson
RF- Johnson, Luplow
DH- Reyes
SP- Bieber, Carrasco, Plesac, Quantrill, Civale, McKenzie, Gray, Muller, Allen, Moss
BP- Karinchak, Clase, Wittgren, Maton, Hill, Gose, Hentges, Nelson

The depth with Dodgers and Reds deals:
1B- Naylor, Jones, Bradley, Bauers
2B- Miller, Freeman, Chang
3B- Senzel, Jones, Chang
SS- Lux, Freeman, Miller, Chang
C- Smith, Hedges
LF- Aquino, Naylor, Luplow, Mercado
CF- Mercado, Johnson, Senzel
RF- Johnson, Luplow, Reyes
DH- Reyes
SP- Bieber, Carrasco, Plesac, Quantrill, Civale, McKenzie, Gray, Greene, Allen, Moss
BP- Karinchak, Clase, Wittgren, Maton, Hill, Gose, Hentges, Nelson

The depth with Dodgers and Mets deals:
1B- Naylor, Jones, Bradley, Bauers
2B- Miller, Freeman, Chang
3B- Jones, Davis, Chang
SS- Lux, Freeman, Miller, Chang
C- Smith, Hedges
LF- Davis, Mercado, Bauers, Luplow
CF- Johnson, Mercado
RF- Nimmo, Johnson, Luplow
DH- Reyes
SP- Bieber, Carrasco, Plesac, Quantrill, Civale, McKenzie, Gray, Allen, Moss
BP- Karinchak, Clase, Wittgren, Maton, Hill, Gose, Hentges, Nelson

I'm an advocate of talent even if somewhat unproven, and all 3 of those depth charts are loaded with it. Like I said, I'm not advocating trading Ramirez, but if the Dodgers are going to sacrifice any of their beloved young players and/or prospects then it will be for Ramirez not Lindor. A line up consisting of these players may wear on our patience, or the stars could align and they could wreak havoc on opposing pitchers. I do have confidence that they would be very competitive and give you more offense then we witnessed this season. Every single pitcher listed is under control for the foreseeable future. Wittgren is the first to become a FA in 23 followed by Carrasco in 24.

Guys like Chang, Mercado, Bradley, and Bauers may find it difficult to find their way onto the 25 man roster, but that's ok. It means either the younger, newer acquisitions out played them or they finally realized their talents. Regardless, a roster like this would excite me far more than one that had DeShields, Perez, , Leon, Naquin, Santana, Plutko, Cimber, and M. Freeman on it.
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Will Smith is already posting a. 980 OPS at the games toughest position. Not getting him at all even for Ramirez.
 
Gson said:
Not so fast... It would come down to what the Jays see as their window of contention versus what they must spend to get over the top... Thirty years ago, the early 90's successes in Toronto was the gold standard or legacy the current Jays would love to emulate. The Jays are in the unique position of having a large group of inexpensive & talented players. The Jays have only almost $ 54 MM committed for the 2021 season...

And they can get there if.. the Francisco Lindor ($ 24 MM) acquisition for Lourdes Gurriel Jr. (three years, $ 3.5/$ 4.5/$ 5.4 MM), Jordan Groshans and Adam Kloffenstein happens followed by signing:

Michael Brantley (1 + 1, contract: $ 8.5 MM)
Trevor Bauer 1 year, $ 32 MM

The Jays would then project a 2021 payroll of only $ 135 MM and that would include all their arbitration and league minimum players. The Jays would also be able to extend Frankie is they so chose.. or, if Mark/Cherny do their job.. make it a condition of the deal.. a 72 hour window before the deal is announced to sign Frankie to an extension.. This would give the Jays a starting/everyday lineup of:

Catcher: Jansen
IF: Vlad Jr, Biggio, Lindor and Bichette
OF: Teoscar Hernandez, Randle Grichul Michael Brantley,

SP: Bauer, Ryu, Pearson, Shoemaker, Ray, Roarke, etc etc..

This lineup of regulars & starting staff is as solid as any.. With Austin Martin as the heir apparent in CF.. The Jays stong pitching farm system only needs the one year of Bauer.. and they'd be on their way..

Giving away Gurriel but getting Lindor makes the Jays infield, perhaps, the most formidable in baseball, imho..

Thoughts?..
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Blue Jays signed Guirrel to a team friendly contract and honestly it is Grichuk I would want to move somehow (from the Blue Jays perspective) not Guirrel. Also Guirrel has had some injury issues so thats another question mark as well. If I am Shapiro, I would do everything possible to keep Guirrel, and find a way to move Grichuk.

Just my opinion of course and I wouldnt be against getting Guirrel back in a trade at all, just not sure if Toronto will move him
 
Toronto needs pitchers, not more hitters. They had 6 pitchers start a collective 56 games this year and only one had an FIP lower than 4.0. Four of them were over 5.0 and two over 6.0. They were 3rd in the league in runs scored and 10th in earned runs given up. Maybe they will trade for him but Lindor isn't the answer for them.
 
sportscoach said:
Blue Jays signed Guirrel to a team friendly contract and honestly it is Grichuk I would want to move somehow (from the Blue Jays perspective) not Guirrel. Also Guirrel has had some injury issues so thats another question mark as well. If I am Shapiro, I would do everything possible to keep Guirrel, and find a way to move Grichuk.

Just my opinion of course and I wouldnt be against getting Guirrel back in a trade at all, just not sure if Toronto will move him
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You may be right, which is why I don’t see a trade with Toronto occurring.
 
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