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The way Plesac pitched, if he developed his curveball all the way and makes it an out pitch, I think he's a legit SP and we shouldn't trade. The Indians FO is very creative in trades and willing to do what they need to do, but I really doubt Plesac will be traded.

He's a 25 yr old that has logged 171 innings in MLB with an ERA of 3.32. He's not afraid of contact. He can strike guys out. He keeps the ball in the park. He plays GG defense. Has one of the better moves to 1B that I've ever seen for a RHP. Most importantly he doesn't walk many. Is there any reason to think that he isn't going to get better when he reaches his prime?

By all accounts he's a good kid and well liked. He f'd up by going out with a group of friends. This organization isn't casting him into damnation or trading him because of what happened. To think so is nothing short of lunacy.
 
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I don’t particularly like Castrovince’s Blue Jay deal and the Reds deal GSON posted but they’re in the ball park value wise.

I’m not looking forward to the Lindor deal. No doubt the FO will get his value on the market but they’re not going to get his value on the field in 2021.

They’re roughly at two-thirds of 2020 projected payroll now and if they can afford that I’d lean toward keeping Frankie and rolling with what they have.

It sounds like a suicide pact but merely put the players in their best position to succeed and see if they can score enough to compete. Push the envelope.
 
I don’t particularly like Castrovince’s Blue Jay deal and the Reds deal GSON posted but they’re in the ball park value wise.

I’m not looking forward to the Lindor deal. No doubt the FO will get his value on the market but they’re not going to get his value on the field in 2021.

They’re roughly at two-thirds of 2020 projected payroll now and if they can afford that I’d lean toward keeping Frankie and rolling with what they have.

It sounds like a suicide pact but merely put the players in their best position to succeed and see if they can score enough to compete. Push the envelope.
Can’t let him walk for nothing
 
I don’t particularly like Castrovince’s Blue Jay deal and the Reds deal GSON posted but they’re in the ball park value wise.

I’m not looking forward to the Lindor deal. No doubt the FO will get his value on the market but they’re not going to get his value on the field in 2021.

They’re roughly at two-thirds of 2020 projected payroll now and if they can afford that I’d lean toward keeping Frankie and rolling with what they have.

It sounds like a suicide pact but merely put the players in their best position to succeed and see if they can score enough to compete. Push the envelope.

You don't particularly like Castrovince's deal because it's ridiculously lopsided and well............stupid. Look, Lindor is getting traded. We were told it won't happen quickly and if we've been paying attention to how CA and MC do business then we already knew that it wouldn't happen quickly. Trading Lindor isn't the same as when they traded Kluber or even Bauer for that matter. Kluber was coming off of injury in his age 33 season and Bauer was coming off a terrible season and had only shown glimpses of his potential at that point. We're talking about a 27 yr old, 5 tool SS that has appeared in 4 AS games, won 2 silver sluggers, a platinum glove, 2 GG, has hit 30+ HR and will steal 20+ bases in a full season and the best part is he's just now entering his prime years.

When the deal is consummated and made public, I do not expect to feel like the Indians "robbed" whoever they traded with. I also believe that it will be more geared toward acquiring quality, ready talent than a slew of prospects. I'll give you some of what I think are reasonable examples:
-Lindor to NYY for Frazier and one of Schmidt or Gil
-Lindor to CIN for Winker and Greene
-Lindor to TOR for Gurriel Jr and Woods Richardson
-Lindor to NYM for Nimmo and Szapucki
-Lindor to STL for Carlson and Libertore
-Lindor to LAA for Marsh and Detmers
-Lindor to ATL for Waters and Davidson
-Lindor to SD for Cronenworth and Patino
-Lindor to TB for Lowe and McClanahan

The Indians have a deep enough farm system that they could expand a Lindor deal if needed/desired.
 
You don't particularly like Castrovince's deal because it's ridiculously lopsided and well............stupid. Look, Lindor is getting traded. We were told it won't happen quickly and if we've been paying attention to how CA and MC do business then we already knew that it wouldn't happen quickly. Trading Lindor isn't the same as when they traded Kluber or even Bauer for that matter. Kluber was coming off of injury in his age 33 season and Bauer was coming off a terrible season and had only shown glimpses of his potential at that point. We're talking about a 27 yr old, 5 tool SS that has appeared in 4 AS games, won 2 silver sluggers, a platinum glove, 2 GG, has hit 30+ HR and will steal 20+ bases in a full season and the best part is he's just now entering his prime years.

When the deal is consummated and made public, I do not expect to feel like the Indians "robbed" whoever they traded with. I also believe that it will be more geared toward acquiring quality, ready talent than a slew of prospects. I'll give you some of what I think are reasonable examples:
-Lindor to NYY for Frazier and one of Schmidt or Gil
-Lindor to CIN for Winker and Greene
-Lindor to TOR for Gurriel Jr and Woods Richardson
-Lindor to NYM for Nimmo and Szapucki
-Lindor to STL for Carlson and Libertore
-Lindor to LAA for Marsh and Detmers
-Lindor to ATL for Waters and Davidson
-Lindor to SD for Cronenworth and Patino
-Lindor to TB for Lowe and McClanahan

The Indians have a deep enough farm system that they could expand a Lindor deal if needed/desired.

Rumors did state three players, so I am guessing that's where the hold up will be as well. Indians aren't ones who compromise on what they are looking for, so I just have to trust in their judgements.

Also everyone said the Clev trade was quantity over quality and I am not so sure of that. Hedges, established gold glove catcher (light hitting but a big leaguer), Quantrill (at worst a bullpen arm), Miller (heavy contact low HR, utility guy) Cantillo (very promising lefty). Arias (a top SS prospect), Naylor (left handed corner OF/1B with MLB experience) I mean all the guys we got in the deal most likely have either made the pros or a good shot of making the pros. I think thats a lot more quality than giving credit for.

Bieber, Plesac, Kluber etc were not top prospects and they all panned out just fine in my mind. Its about finding legit players and not just top prospects.
 
You don't particularly like Castrovince's deal because it's ridiculously lopsided and well............stupid. Look, Lindor is getting traded. We were told it won't happen quickly and if we've been paying attention to how CA and MC do business then we already knew that it wouldn't happen quickly. Trading Lindor isn't the same as when they traded Kluber or even Bauer for that matter. Kluber was coming off of injury in his age 33 season and Bauer was coming off a terrible season and had only shown glimpses of his potential at that point. We're talking about a 27 yr old, 5 tool SS that has appeared in 4 AS games, won 2 silver sluggers, a platinum glove, 2 GG, has hit 30+ HR and will steal 20+ bases in a full season and the best part is he's just now entering his prime years.

When the deal is consummated and made public, I do not expect to feel like the Indians "robbed" whoever they traded with. I also believe that it will be more geared toward acquiring quality, ready talent than a slew of prospects. I'll give you some of what I think are reasonable examples:
-Lindor to NYY for Frazier and one of Schmidt or Gil
-Lindor to CIN for Winker and Greene
-Lindor to TOR for Gurriel Jr and Woods Richardson
-Lindor to NYM for Nimmo and Szapucki
-Lindor to STL for Carlson and Libertore
-Lindor to LAA for Marsh and Detmers
-Lindor to ATL for Waters and Davidson
-Lindor to SD for Cronenworth and Patino
-Lindor to TB for Lowe and McClanahan

The Indians have a deep enough farm system that they could expand a Lindor deal if needed/desired.
With the MiLB contraction and overall increase in talent.. adding a guy or two into a deal would help create some space that would otherwise be forced. Good posting..
 
Can’t let him walk for nothing
If both JRam and one of the SP's are traded with substantial returns.. wouldn't it begin to make sense to keep Frankie (instead of giving him away) through to the end.. perhaps still competing at the highest level?
 
If both JRam and one of the SP's are traded with substantial returns.. wouldn't it begin to make sense to keep Frankie (instead of giving him away) through to the end.. perhaps still competing at the highest level?

We cannot afford to is the issue at the end of the day. We need to cut Lindors contract to save some money. It sucks to say that, but also I think Lindor is mentally removed anyways from Cleveland. He wasn't right last season and that was easy for someone who reads peoples emotions. He wasn't smiling as much and a lot of other stuff. Its best to move on from him (its not like he doesn't play hard, but he didn't like the person we normally see around).
 
Rumors did state three players, so I am guessing that's where the hold up will be as well. Indians aren't ones who compromise on what they are looking for, so I just have to trust in their judgements.

Also everyone said the Clev trade was quantity over quality and I am not so sure of that. Hedges, established gold glove catcher (light hitting but a big leaguer), Quantrill (at worst a bullpen arm), Miller (heavy contact low HR, utility guy) Cantillo (very promising lefty). Arias (a top SS prospect), Naylor (left handed corner OF/1B with MLB experience) I mean all the guys we got in the deal most likely have either made the pros or a good shot of making the pros. I think thats a lot more quality than giving credit for.

Bieber, Plesac, Kluber etc were not top prospects and they all panned out just fine in my mind. Its about finding legit players and not just top prospects.

Couldn't agree more. The Clevinger trade was not about quantity, and the quality of the players/prospects returned is phenomenal IMO. Quantrill, Naylor, and Hedges are all top draft picks. Arias is ridiculously talented. If his bat comes around then you're looking at another star SS and I believe that the powers that be think he is the future SS as soon as 2022. Then we get to what many consider to be the prize of the trade in Cantillo. He's exactly the type of SP this organization gets the most out of. Miller is a solid hitter that could be a legitimate big league 2B. He'll be a damn good UIF at worst.

IMO this is how MC and CA should continue to construct this roster. It's too bad that Johnson, Bauers, and Bradley didn't get any significant playing time. Having a better idea of what they may contribute would have given everyone a better understanding of what this team needs.
 
Monday... and a new round of Lindor Trade suggestions.. This one from Arc-Halo.. an Angels fan.. Arc wants Lindor and Austin Hedges for Jo Adell and Packy Naughton.. The first results from Jo Adell are less than stellar.. So, a number of Angel fans who would NEVER consider trading Adell 12 months ago.. are now posting deals like this one.. The deal as posted.. is a huge "W" if you're of the belief Jo Adell is the next coming of ___________________ (fill in the blank of a superstar OF'er)...

One prospect for Lindor.. isn't how the CLEFO operations.. so.. "soft pass".. The quantity of quality, especially when the Indians get a guy who has an obvious and relevant weapon, is how the CLEFO fills a deal. Using the valuation method present on this particular trade board.. Replacing "names" with some upside (but certainly not the ceiling Adell has) might appear as:

Angels get: Francisco Lindor and Scott Moss
Total Value: 41.7

Indians get Brandon Marsh, Jack Kochanowicz,
D'Shawn Knowles & Alexander Ramirez
Total Value: 42.9

Discussion:
-The Angels two primary needs.. an impact bat at SS and pitching are fulfilled with this deal. The Angels are going to see some huge $$$$ come off the books following the 2021 season.. So, the ARB III contract with Lindor and the future dovetail nicely..
-Brandon Marsh is everything the Indians are looking for w/r to a ML OF'er and hitter. This is what one looks like.. Jack Kochanowicz is one of those under the radar control guys who can be taught to throw hard and harder.. D'Shawn Knowles and Alexander Ramirez are too far away from the ML's to be able to accurately predict what they'll become.. but they are very similar in many ways to what the Tribe saw in George Valera..

The Indians wouldn't realize the full benefit of this deal until 2023.. but would be just fine with what they get today..
 
Monday... and a new round of Lindor Trade suggestions.. This one from Arc-Halo.. an Angels fan.. Arc wants Lindor and Austin Hedges for Jo Adell and Packy Naughton.. The first results from Jo Adell are less than stellar.. So, a number of Angel fans who would NEVER consider trading Adell 12 months ago.. are now posting deals like this one.. The deal as posted.. is a huge "W" if you're of the belief Jo Adell is the next coming of ___________________ (fill in the blank of a superstar OF'er)...

One prospect for Lindor.. isn't how the CLEFO operations.. so.. "soft pass".. The quantity of quality, especially when the Indians get a guy who has an obvious and relevant weapon, is how the CLEFO fills a deal. Using the valuation method present on this particular trade board.. Replacing "names" with some upside (but certainly not the ceiling Adell has) might appear as:

Angels get: Francisco Lindor and Scott Moss
Total Value: 41.7

Indians get Brandon Marsh, Jack Kochanowicz,
D'Shawn Knowles & Alexander Ramirez
Total Value: 42.9

Discussion:
-The Angels two primary needs.. an impact bat at SS and pitching are fulfilled with this deal. The Angels are going to see some huge $$$$ come off the books following the 2021 season.. So, the ARB III contract with Lindor and the future dovetail nicely..
-Brandon Marsh is everything the Indians are looking for w/r to a ML OF'er and hitter. This is what one looks like.. Jack Kochanowicz is one of those under the radar control guys who can be taught to throw hard and harder.. D'Shawn Knowles and Alexander Ramirez are too far away from the ML's to be able to accurately predict what they'll become.. but they are very similar in many ways to what the Tribe saw in George Valera..

The Indians wouldn't realize the full benefit of this deal until 2023.. but would be just fine with what they get today..

Indians stated from what I can tell they want 3 players at/near MLB level, so your trade doesn't fit what we have been told. I dont like the Angels prospects anyways, so I dont like them as a fit.
 
Monday... and a new round of Lindor Trade suggestions.. This one from Arc-Halo.. an Angels fan.. Arc wants Lindor and Austin Hedges for Jo Adell and Packy Naughton.. The first results from Jo Adell are less than stellar.. So, a number of Angel fans who would NEVER consider trading Adell 12 months ago.. are now posting deals like this one.. The deal as posted.. is a huge "W" if you're of the belief Jo Adell is the next coming of ___________________ (fill in the blank of a superstar OF'er)...

One prospect for Lindor.. isn't how the CLEFO operations.. so.. "soft pass".. The quantity of quality, especially when the Indians get a guy who has an obvious and relevant weapon, is how the CLEFO fills a deal. Using the valuation method present on this particular trade board.. Replacing "names" with some upside (but certainly not the ceiling Adell has) might appear as:

Angels get: Francisco Lindor and Scott Moss
Total Value: 41.7

Indians get Brandon Marsh, Jack Kochanowicz,
D'Shawn Knowles & Alexander Ramirez
Total Value: 42.9

Discussion:
-The Angels two primary needs.. an impact bat at SS and pitching are fulfilled with this deal. The Angels are going to see some huge $$$$ come off the books following the 2021 season.. So, the ARB III contract with Lindor and the future dovetail nicely..
-Brandon Marsh is everything the Indians are looking for w/r to a ML OF'er and hitter. This is what one looks like.. Jack Kochanowicz is one of those under the radar control guys who can be taught to throw hard and harder.. D'Shawn Knowles and Alexander Ramirez are too far away from the ML's to be able to accurately predict what they'll become.. but they are very similar in many ways to what the Tribe saw in George Valera..

The Indians wouldn't realize the full benefit of this deal until 2023.. but would be just fine with what they get today..

A brain teaser for you that works off the premise of the Bauer deal. The Indians acquire a higher value prospect (Trammel) to spin off to a third club for a player(s) they prefer.

For instance, the Dodgers C Ruiz. It would seem there would be a fair number of clubs interested: Mets, Phillies, Yankees to name a few.

It might be a way to get to a Lindor package the club prefers.

Initially I was playing with a true three way (Dodgers, Yankees, Indians) with Lindor to the Dodgers and the Dodgers and Yankees swapping Voit and Muncy to balance their lineups.
Beyond Frazier headed to Cleveland I couldn’t piece together a package of players close enough to MLB to make sense.

Now if you really want have some fun take a gander at Bieber’s value.
 
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A brain teaser for you that works off the premise of the Bauer deal. The Indians acquire a higher value prospect (Trammel) to spin off to a third club for a player(s) they prefer.

For instance, the Dodgers C Ruiz. It would seem there would be a fair number of clubs interested: Mets, Phillies, Yankees to name a few.

It might be a way to get to a Lindor package the club prefers.

Initially I was playing with a true three way (Dodgers, Yankees, Indians) with Lindor to the Dodgers and the Dodgers and Yankees swapping Voit and Muncy to balance their lineups.
Beyond Frazier headed to Cleveland I couldn’t piece together a package of players close enough to MLB to make sense.

Now if you really want have some fun take a gander at Bieber’s value.
Yes.. Bieber is in the 250 range.. and he's one of the highest using this cockamamey scheme to evaluate/monetize player values in trade..

As far as three way deals go.. there are so many permutations, it's virtually impossible to predict.. but if it's the Yankees and Dodgers..then it must have a zero add to the salary of the Tribe and include Clinto Frazier and Keibert Ruiz.. There will probably be about a dozen other players as part of some wildly creative massive three team deal. One the Indians would love to make... but never will..
 
Yes.. Bieber is in the 250 range.. and he's one of the highest using this cockamamey scheme to evaluate/monetize player values in trade..

As far as three way deals go.. there are so many permutations, it's virtually impossible to predict.. but if it's the Yankees and Dodgers..then it must have a zero add to the salary of the Tribe and include Clinto Frazier and Keibert Ruiz.. There will probably be about a dozen other players as part of some wildly creative massive three team deal. One the Indians would love to make... but never will..

I mean no one predicted the deals they have made so far, so you can never rule anything out..
 
I mean no one predicted the deals they have made so far, so you can never rule anything out..
If you predict enough times.. odds are in your favor of being at least partially right.. such as this posting in response to a poster (Armaments216) at MLB Trade Rumors asking: What would a Lindor deal to the Reds look like:

Reds get Francisco Lindor SS, Aaron Civale SP, & one of Nick Sandlin RP or Eli Morgan P.

Indians get Nick Senzel OF/SS, Tyler Stephenson C, one of Jonathan India/Reece Hinds 3B’s and Austin Hendrick OF

Note: If the Reds are insistent on Zack Plesac instead of Civale..then names like Lodolo and Greene would need to be discussed..

Thoughts?
 

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