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Did You Like the New Spiderverse Film?

  • Yes!

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  • No!

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  • Far better than the MCU's multiverse bore

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  • Best Marvel film yet!

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  • Needs Hobgoblin

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  • Jim Chones is A Spiderman, not THE Spiderman

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Just finished Shang-Chi.

Does every fucking one of these movies have to become a giant, mindless CGI fight at the end? This was on its way to being an awesome martial arts movie, but then the end was just so bleh. Just throwing shit at the screen to see what sticks. Just give me a personal, violent fight between Shang-Chi and his dad as the climax and you've got a fantastic movie.

The best part of the film was the fight on the bus at the beginning. Give me more of that shit. Just fun, creative martial arts set-pieces.

Also loved that they brought Ben Kingsley back, and he absolutely crushed it. I didn't read any spoilers so him showing up was a pleasant surprise.

Now that it's on Disney+, I just rewatch the first half hour in China and San Francisco here or there.

Shawn walks past Good Luck Dim Sum after the karaoke bar as they raise the metal gate, I lived in a building on the right of your screen for five years until we had kids. Watching it with my kids is a blast... Yes, we have a superhero sleeping in a garage down the street!
 
My suspicion is that these villains aren't necessary from the Raimi or Webb films. Ock, sure. The others; not sure I buy it Sandman, Electro & Lizard look noticeably different. I don't buy that they look cool now because their in the MCU. (Think Loki vs President Loki. Same actor, different clothes.

As for Strange, he's being controlled. The "Scooby-Doo Doo comment, the fear of the multiverse and his general behavior leads me to believe it's someone that has control but not necessarily know what they are fully doing. Part of me wishes it would just be an imported like Chamelon but as pointed out earlier where would he get the powers.

It's just odd as hell that there are 5 bad guys running lose; when 6 is the Magic number and most of them don't look like their predecessors. Was too many others still in thus universe that haven't been seen. The trailers make it look like an Ock redemption arc....I don't buy it. He's either not the Ock we think or he's realized that he would die elsewhere. Oh and now he has access to this universes tech.

Venom is going to be in the post credits if we see him at all.
 
I don’t know if it was mentioned with regard to Strange acting strange, but isn’t he wearing the Eye of Agamoto in those trailers?

Wasn’t it destroyed with the rest of the Infinity Stones?
 
I don’t know if it was mentioned with regard to Strange acting strange, but isn’t he wearing the Eye of Agamoto in those trailers?

Wasn’t it destroyed with the rest of the Infinity Stones?
That's why I think a lot of people think this Strange is someone else or from another universe. IIRC, he opened it to reveal the time stone; nor sure it was ever destroyed.
 
I don’t know if it was mentioned with regard to Strange acting strange, but isn’t he wearing the Eye of Agamoto in those trailers?

Wasn’t it destroyed with the rest of the Infinity Stones?
Stones were returned to their proper place by Cap at end of Endgame.
Therefore TimeStone is back with Ancient One/ Dr. Strange & never destroyed by Thanos after he wiped out half..
 
Stones were returned to their proper place by Cap at end of Endgame.
Therefore TimeStone is back with Ancient One/ Dr. Strange & never destroyed by Thanos after he wiped out half..
The stones were sent back to that point in time they were taken by the Avengers so it would not disrupt things. They didn’t take them back to prevent the blip or the destruction of the stones.

History still plays out that the stones were destroyed by Thanos after the blip.

They favored letting the stones staying destroyed to prevent anyone else from doing what Thanos did.

The MCU canon info states the stones were destroyed.
 
The stones were sent back to that point in time they were taken by the Avengers so it would not disrupt things. They didn’t take them back to prevent the blip or the destruction of the stones.

History still plays out that the stones were destroyed by Thanos after the blip.

They favored letting the stones staying destroyed to prevent anyone else from doing what Thanos did.

The MCU canon info states the stones were destroyed.
Ok... Let's walk thru this..
In the Infinity War movie:
Thanos gets all 6 stones.
Thanos creates the blip wiping out half of everything.

At the start of the Endgame movie:
Thanos then destroys the stones & is then beheaded by Thor shortly thereafter.
5 years pass.
Avengers go back via Quantum realm & retrieve the stones.
In the process, Loki escapes (& thanks to that Disney+ series we learn more about the Multiverse and how some infinity stones are kept together in a desk drawer at the TVA).
Avengers use the 6 stones to reverse the blip.
Thanos arrives and another big fight happens. This time Iron Man prevents Thanos from using the stones to whip out half of everything but instead uses the stones himself to wipe out Thanos & his forces before dying himself.
Cap goes back to return all 6 stones from where they were taken and lives a life with Peggy Carter before returning to present day.
The stones then continue on their paths thru time.

If its canon that Thanos destroys the stones & they are gone:
a) When & How did that happen since Thanos is a dust cloud & snapped away himself & there is no longer a great battle in Wakanda for him to get the stones together & blip out half of everything again????
b) Why can't a replacement green time stone from the TVA be obtained for the Dr Strange/ The Sorcerer Supreme??
c) In the old comic book canon (from the 90s, I still have the comics themselves) it was Eternity & the Living Tribunal that decreed the Infinity Stones could no longer be used together as a group (but the stones are still able to used individually).
 
Ok... Let's walk thru this..
In the Infinity War movie:
Thanos gets all 6 stones.
Thanos creates the blip wiping out half of everything.

At the start of the Endgame movie:
Thanos then destroys the stones & is then beheaded by Thor shortly thereafter.
5 years pass.
Avengers go back via Quantum realm & retrieve the stones.
In the process, Loki escapes (& thanks to that Disney+ series we learn more about the Multiverse and how some infinity stones are kept together in a desk drawer at the TVA).
Avengers use the 6 stones to reverse the blip.
Thanos arrives and another big fight happens. This time Iron Man prevents Thanos from using the stones to whip out half of everything but instead uses the stones himself to wipe out Thanos & his forces before dying himself.
Cap goes back to return all 6 stones from where they were taken and lives a life with Peggy Carter before returning to present day.
The stones then continue on their paths thru time.

If its canon that Thanos destroys the stones & they are gone:
a) When & How did that happen since Thanos is a dust cloud & snapped away himself & there is no longer a great battle in Wakanda for him to get the stones together & blip out half of everything again????
b) Why can't a replacement green time stone from the TVA be obtained for the Dr Strange/ The Sorcerer Supreme??
c) In the old comic book canon (from the 90s, I still have the comics themselves) it was Eternity & the Living Tribunal that decreed the Infinity Stones could no longer be used together as a group (but the stones are still able to used individually).
Yes, the stones are destroyed in the prime timeline. The restoration of the stones to the past does not change that.

The Blip still happened. And Prime Thanos still destroys the stones. As confirmed by Marvel:


As for your questions: I never said that Infinity Stones could never be used again in the films. It is clear they still have a role to play at some point.

My point is that Strange having a new Time Stone is noteworthy and supports some of the theories about this Strange is different from Prime Strange because the Prime Stones are gone. Elements of Strange's behavior, and having a wayward Stone from another reality, suggests there is something going one with him.


Anyway, to your questions:

A) The 2014 that Warrior Thanos came from is now a different timeline. If his 2023 death mattered to the Prime Timeline, the entire timeline would have reset when he was dusted. It did not. Everything that happened in the Prime Timeline is still intact.

B) I never said that could not have happened. I only said the Prime Timeline stones have been destroyed. For Strange to have another Time Stone seems to support the theory that several have posited that this Strange may be a Strange from an alternate timeline, or otherwise has been to different timelines, or this Strange is an imposter. Possibly Loki himself.

C) Yes, I know about the sequel to The Infinity Gauntlet, The Infinity War, and the outcome of Adam Warlock and the Infinity Watch and the restraining order against the use of the stones in tandem. However, the MCU has not yet established many elements of that storyline. There is no reason to believe that the current MCU will go down the path of

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That said, my personal theory, very rudimentary and not fully thought out, is that the Time Stone, because of its properties, can actually exist in multiple points in time at once. But that this can only be achieved by someone immensely skilled in sorcery.

-Or-

Strange has gone back in time, using the quantum realm, to retrieve the stone, to use it to undo something or fix something. And that its presence in the Prime Timeline is not permanent.
 
Do we know that Strange still has the time stone? Couldn't he simply still be wearing the amulet? There doesn't have to be a time stone inside of it, right?
 
Do we know that Strange still has the time stone? Couldn't he simply still be wearing the amulet? There doesn't have to be a time stone inside of it, right?
No, we don't know if the stone is in it. But he also never wore it just for fun, or for everyday use, when not necessary. It was usually kept a Kamar Taj for safekeeping.

But, for that above reason, it has to be a plot point based on the principle of Chekov's Gun, unless Marvel is fucking with us just for fun.
 
What would be the best role for Keanu?


Ghost Rider would seem to be a very good fit. Maybe Punisher? Although if they bring Punisher into the MCU, I'd honestly prefer they just bring back Jon Bernthal, as he was great in the role.

I think he's a bit too old to play one of the X-Men, especially if they reboot them. The only ones that are age appropriate would probably be Professor X and Magneto and I don't like him in either of those roles. I've seen a lot of people in that twitter thread suggest Dr. Doom, but I don't know if that would work since Keanu is a bit limited as an actor.

Regardless, he needs a simple ass-kicker role to maximize his talent.

ETA: Bullseye would be an interesting one as well.
 
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Ghost Rider would seem to be a very good fit. Maybe Punisher? Although if they bring Punisher into the MCU, I'd honestly prefer they just bring back Jon Bernthal, as he was great in the role.

I think he's a bit too old to play one of the X-Men, especially if they reboot them. The only ones that are age appropriate would probably be Professor X and Magneto and I don't like him in either of those roles. I've seen a lot of people in that twitter thread suggest Dr. Doom, but I don't know if that would work since Keanu is a bit limited as an actor.

Regardless, he needs a simple ass-kicker role to maximize his talent.

ETA: Bullseye would be an interesting one as well.
I need Keanu as Michael Korvac. And that's honestly because I don't know another role he would be good in.
 

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