Marvel Cinematic Universe Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

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I was a huge sucker for Garfield's Spidey. I thought he was so much better than Tobey Maguire. But Holland is good. You actually feel like he's just a kid who is a bit odd. Very good casting decision. I just hope they stick with him for awhile now.
You see the scene after the credits?

Spidey getting his own movie soon.
 

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Did Zemo know Bucky killed Stark's parents? How did he know? Because it seemed like the only proof was that VHS at the secret base in Siberia. And if he had other proof, why didn't he just leak it to the press/internet? That would accomplish the same amount.
Went and saw it again, and I may have solved this a bit.

When Zemo is torturing the old Hydra agent in Cleveland, he mentions that he had cracked some of the Hydra data Black Widow leaked in Winter Soldier. I am guessing he found out about Bucky killing the Starks there, then manipulated everything to get Cap/Iron Man to track him down in Siberia where he knew the tape existed.
 

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Went and saw it again, and I may have solved this a bit.

When Zemo is torturing the old Hydra agent in Cleveland, he mentions that he had cracked some of the Hydra data Black Widow leaked in Winter Soldier. I am guessing he found out about Bucky killing the Starks there, then manipulated everything to get Cap/Iron Man to track him down in Siberia where he knew the tape existed.
Is Cleveland really lucky for the Avengers Franchise ? The first movie was shot in Cleveland too and boy was it a box office smash. Justice League you know what to do now :p
 

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I think juggling the various degrees of powers in a MCU universe must be one of the hardest things. Its not like a FPS where time was taken to balance the weapons. Vision has a fricking infinity stone for crying out loud hes basically unbeatable for someone without mystical powers so the only fair fight is scarlet witch in Cap3. How the hell they are going to get it working in infinity wars i dont know. Its going to take an A+ job from the Russos
 

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I think juggling the various degrees of powers in a MCU universe must be one of the hardest things. Its not like a FPS where time was taken to balance the weapons. Vision has a fricking infinity stone for crying out loud hes basically unbeatable for someone without mystical powers so the only fair fight is scarlet witch in Cap3. How the hell they are going to get it working in infinity wars i dont know. Its going to take an A+ job from the Russos
Thanos is more powerful than any of them individually by a mile, and most of them combined (even before the Gauntlet).

Vision will have a terrible headache when Thanos rips that thing out of his head.
 

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I think juggling the various degrees of powers in a MCU universe must be one of the hardest things. Its not like a FPS where time was taken to balance the weapons. Vision has a fricking infinity stone for crying out loud hes basically unbeatable for someone without mystical powers so the only fair fight is scarlet witch in Cap3. How the hell they are going to get it working in infinity wars i dont know. Its going to take an A+ job from the Russos
It'd be really cool if Thanos bribed Scarlet Witch with the resurrection of her brother to get her to retrieve the stone from Vision
 

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Is Cleveland really lucky for the Avengers Franchise ? The first movie was shot in Cleveland too and boy was it a box office smash. Justice League you know what to do now :p
BvS had major scenes shot in Detroit. Coincidence? I think not.
 
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He is great! He actually conveys someone still in high school very well.

And on the point @gourimoko made about Spidey not doing as well against Cap as one would imagine, I think it is fair to say Spidey is still figuring out what he can do and probably has little experience yet fighting people who aren't simple criminals and can hit almost as hard as he can.
Is spider-man supposed to be in another tier compared to Cap?

I'm not a big comic book buff.
 

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Is spider-man supposed to be in another tier compared to Cap?

I'm not a big comic book buff.
Spider-Man should be stronger by a great deal. Spider-Man should be Class 20, that is able to lift 20 tons, but not above 30.

Captain America is just a peak human, so roughly 800 lbs is supposed to be his limit.
 

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Marvel doesn't do a great job of handling guys like Hulk, Thor, or even Spidey. Hence why I'm glad the former two were not in the movie. It made the fight scenes significantly more enjoyable. Honestly, my biggest complaint is that they did not follow the Civil War storyline super closely, but I got over it. I really enjoyed it.
 

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As is Cate Blanchett, I just read. No idea who Hela is, but that's her.
Let's take a step back and look at all of the actors the MCU has gotten in supporting roles.

Mickey Rourke
Tommy Lee Jones
Anthony Hopkins
Ben Kingsley
Glenn Close
Benicio Del Toro
Josh Brolin
Robert Redford
Michael Douglas
Cate Blanchette
Tilda Swinton
 

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Spider-Man should be stronger by a great deal. Spider-Man should be Class 20, that is able to lift 20 tons, but not above 30.

Captain America is just a peak human, so roughly 800 lbs is supposed to be his limit.
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Steven_Rogers_(Earth-616)

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Peter_Parker_(Earth-616)

Strength, powers, skills are about two thirds through each article. Spider-Man's strength is supposed to be 10 tons, in his original body. There have been times when he as been mutated and was stronger then that. The article doesn't clarify how strong teenage Peter is opposed to adult Parker. So, it is very likely that the limits of the Spider-Man from the movie are lower then that. Captain America is suppose to have the strength of 10 men. He can bench press over a ton. He is stronger then any peak level Olympic athlete. But, certainly, not as strong as Spider-Man. On their power grid for strength, Cap is a 3 and Spider-Man a 4.

The key to this fight is training, experience, and combat skills. Cap is considered one of if not the greatest tactician on Earth. Teenage Parker has been Spider-Man for about 6 months. As an adult, with experience and training (some of which was provided by Cap himself), he can "hold Captain America to a standstill." But, again, this is not that Spider-Man. On the power grid for combat skills, Cap is a 6 and Spider-Man (Adult) a 4.

I think the movie did just fine by both Parker and Rodgers. I like both characters from the comics, though, I do like Spider-Man more. One thing I'd like to mention is that I never ever dreamed Chris Evans would ever do such a marvelous job of playing Cap. Marvel has done such a wonderful job of casting for their movies, and bringing each of these characters to life.
 
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