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I've seen little criticism that Spidey wasn't used more, but let's remember that Marvel acquired his rights after the script had been written, and the movie had begun production. He was cast very late in the game. We're lucky to have gotten as much of him as we did.
 

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Thought it was solid all around. The ending of the movie made up for the slow pace in the beginning which I didn't mind, it was definitely worth it.
That airport scene just felt epic, haven't felt that way about a fight scene in quite a while.
I do want to give props to Chadwick Boseman, that accent was convincing. Excited as hell for the Black Panther movie now.
 

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I've seen little criticism that Spidey wasn't used more, but let's remember that Marvel acquired his rights after the script had been written, and the movie had begun production. He was cast very late in the game. We're lucky to have gotten as much of him as we did.
Agree. Im fine with that being the only tie-in Spiderman has. I understand he is one of the stronger superhero's but he can do fine on his own and not stepping foot in any other universe picture other than his own.

What is nice about Spiderman (& Black Panther to a lesser extent) being in this movie, is that we wont see the backstory we all know and can fast forward to the action in their respective movies. In the case of Black Panther, they can get away with flashbacks to create the backstory. Whereas we are all sick of the Uncle Ben death story.
 

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http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Steven_Rogers_(Earth-616)

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Peter_Parker_(Earth-616)

Strength, powers, skills are about two thirds through each article. Spider-Man's strength is supposed to be 10 tons, in his original body. There have been times when he as been mutated and was stronger then that. The article doesn't clarify how strong teenage Peter is opposed to adult Parker. So, it is very likely that the limits of the Spider-Man from the movie are lower then that. Captain America is suppose to have the strength of 10 men. He can bench press over a ton. He is stronger then any peak level Olympic athlete. But, certainly, not as strong as Spider-Man. On their power grid for strength, Cap is a 3 and Spider-Man a 4.

The key to this fight is training, experience, and combat skills. Cap is considered one of if not the greatest tactician on Earth. Teenage Parker has been Spider-Man for about 6 months. As an adult, with experience and training (some of which was provided by Cap himself), he can "hold Captain America to a standstill." But, again, this is not that Spider-Man. On the power grid for combat skills, Cap is a 6 and Spider-Man (Adult) a 4.

I think the movie did just fine by both Parker and Rodgers. I like both characters from the comics, though, I do like Spider-Man more. One thing I'd like to mention is that I never ever dreamed Chris Evans would ever do such a marvelous job of playing Cap. Marvel has done such a wonderful job of casting for their movies, and bringing each of these characters to life.
Just want to second the comments about Chris Evans. He's as good a Captain America as Downey is an Iron Man, and that's saying something. He really has the charisma/leadership thing down cold.
 
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Agree. Im fine with that being the only tie-in Spiderman has. I understand he is one of the stronger superhero's but he can do fine on his own and not stepping foot in any other universe picture other than his own.

What is nice about Spiderman (& Black Panther to a lesser extent) being in this movie, is that we wont see the backstory we all know and can fast forward to the action in their respective movies. In the case of Black Panther, they can get away with flashbacks to create the backstory. Whereas we are all sick of the Uncle Ben death story.
Ten bucks says they still show Uncle Ben die via flashback in the Spidey movie.
 

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Just got back. I really enjoyed it. I think Spiderman is lame and he was definitely lame in this film, so I was glad he wasn't in there much. I thought the final fight between Cap/WS and Iron Man was awesome, as well as several other scenes, but I did leave a little confused on a few points. Remember, I've never picked up a comic in my life.

So, I feel like nothing got resolved in this film, yet I see nothing about a Civil War Part 2. Just the next Avengers film. So either A) it was resolved, just in lackluster unconvincing fashion (what happened to the accords? Were they signed? Avengers are split up but reconciled?) or B) it wasn't resolved at all and Avengers Infinity Wars will address this. Really didn't like how it just sort of ended, like, Cap and Stark fight, peace out, then he gets a Fed Ex package and everything is cool.

I don't know shit about Black Panther but he seemed cool, although I have no idea about his back story so seeing that dude just show up fighting like a superhero after meeting him a few minutes prior, was a little odd.
 

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I think Spiderman is lame and he was definitely lame in this film, so I was glad he wasn't in there much.


So, I feel like nothing got resolved in this film, yet I see nothing about a Civil War Part 2. Just the next Avengers film. So either A) it was resolved, just in lackluster unconvincing fashion (what happened to the accords? Were they signed? Avengers are split up but reconciled?)
Hmm.. well, not sure what you thought was going to happen? You got the happiest ending possible given what was at stake.. :chuckle:

But seriously to answer your questions:

A) Was it resolved? As well as it could have been.. The Avengers have been split into two teams. The Rogers team are basically criminals.

B) The Accords: are standing law, and that's very likely why you saw Cap give up his shield. He's in Wakanda, so they'll make him a new one out of vibranium (allowing him to be a LOT more powerful).

C) Avengers are split up.. Iron Man runs "The Avengers," and Captain America will run the "Secret Avengers." He's also very likely not "Captain America" any more.

or B) it wasn't resolved at all and Avengers Infinity Wars will address this.
It's not something that can be neatly tied up. The Marvel Civil War, and what follows, changes the Marvel Universe. It's one of Marvel's better moments, but they took it too far, IMHO. In the film, they are FAR more reserved (too reserved, IMHO).

Iron Man, in the comics, is essentially a villain. It's hard to see him any other way. In the movie, that is not the case, and he redeems himself rather quickly.

Really didn't like how it just sort of ended, like, Cap and Stark fight, peace out, then he gets a Fed Ex package and everything is cool.
They never wanted to fight each other. And Stark's issue isn't with Cap; he didn't appreciate the truth being hidden, but he's not going to arrest/kill/detain Steve Rogers for protecting Winter Soldier. Although he very likely would have killed the Winter Soldier had he known and Cap not intervened.

I don't know shit about Black Panther but he seemed cool, although I have no idea about his back story so seeing that dude just show up fighting like a superhero after meeting him a few minutes prior, was a little odd.
Hmm, that's a good point, and I can understand why one might feel that way.

Personally, I'm glad they didn't spend an abundance of time on his story. As I said previously, since both he and Spidey have films coming out, I'd have preferred if their screentime was reversed.

But @D-Wreck makes an excellent point that I had forgotten, in that, Spidey was a very late addition to the film and wasn't originally supposed to be included. So I appreciate Marvel giving us that, and don't feel anywhere near as bad as I did before.

Not that you care.. SINCE YOU HATE SPIDER-MAN!!
 
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Hmm.. well, not sure what you thought was going to happen? You got the happiest ending possible given what was at stake.. :chuckle:

But seriously to answer your questions:

A) Was it resolved? As well as it could have been.. The Avengers have been split into two teams. The Rogers team are basically criminals.

B) The Accords: are standing law, and that's very likely why you saw Cap give up his shield. He's in Wakanda, so they'll make him a new one out of vibranium (allowing him to be a LOT more powerful).

C) Avengers are split up.. Iron Man runs "The Avengers," and Captain America will run the "Secret Avengers." He's also very likely not "Captain America" any more.



It's not something that can be neatly tied up. The Marvel Civil War, and what follows, changes the Marvel Universe. It's one of Marvel's better moments, but they took it too far, IMHO. In the film, they are FAR more reserved (too reserved, IMHO).

Iron Man, in the comics, is essentially a villain. It's hard to see him any other way. In the movie, that is not the case, and he redeems himself rather quickly.



They never wanted to fight each other. And Stark's issue isn't with Cap; he didn't appreciate the truth being hidden, but he's not going to arrest/kill/detain Steve Rogers for protecting Winter Soldier. Although he very likely would have killed the Winter Soldier had he known and Cap not intervened.



Hmm, that's a good point, and I can understand why one might feel that way.

Personally, I'm glad they didn't spend an abundance of time on his story. As I said previously, since both he and Spidey have films coming out, I'd have preferred if their screentime was reversed.

But @D-Wreck makes an excellent point that I had forgotten, in that, Spidey was a very late addition to the film and wasn't originally supposed to be included. So I appreciate Marvel giving us that, and don't feel anywhere near as bad as I did before.

Not that you care.. SINCE YOU HATE SPIDER-MAN!!

Seriously...who hates Spider-Man?

I feel like he's everyone's favorite. The tv show back in the day was great.
 

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I'm still trying to process someone thinking Spider-Man is lame... My entire universe is shattered.
 

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Hmm.. well, not sure what you thought was going to happen? You got the happiest ending possible given what was at stake.. :chuckle:

But seriously to answer your questions:

A) Was it resolved? As well as it could have been.. The Avengers have been split into two teams. The Rogers team are basically criminals.

B) The Accords: are standing law, and that's very likely why you saw Cap give up his shield. He's in Wakanda, so they'll make him a new one out of vibranium (allowing him to be a LOT more powerful).

C) Avengers are split up.. Iron Man runs "The Avengers," and Captain America will run the "Secret Avengers." He's also very likely not "Captain America" any more.



It's not something that can be neatly tied up. The Marvel Civil War, and what follows, changes the Marvel Universe. It's one of Marvel's better moments, but they took it too far, IMHO. In the film, they are FAR more reserved (too reserved, IMHO).

Iron Man, in the comics, is essentially a villain. It's hard to see him any other way. In the movie, that is not the case, and he redeems himself rather quickly.



They never wanted to fight each other. And Stark's issue isn't with Cap; he didn't appreciate the truth being hidden, but he's not going to arrest/kill/detain Steve Rogers for protecting Winter Soldier. Although he very likely would have killed the Winter Soldier had he known and Cap not intervened.



Hmm, that's a good point, and I can understand why one might feel that way.

Personally, I'm glad they didn't spend an abundance of time on his story. As I said previously, since both he and Spidey have films coming out, I'd have preferred if their screentime was reversed.

But @D-Wreck makes an excellent point that I had forgotten, in that, Spidey was a very late addition to the film and wasn't originally supposed to be included. So I appreciate Marvel giving us that, and don't feel anywhere near as bad as I did before.

Not that you care.. SINCE YOU HATE SPIDER-MAN!!
Haha, yea, I know, I just don't get the Spiderman love. I didn't grow up with comic books, I've never read them, I dunno. Maybe that has something to do with it. Every Spiderman movie I've seen has been cringe worthy. He's just not my guy I guess.

As for what I expected, I dunno? Like I said I don't know any of the source material. I just thought there was a Civil War 2 coming, then I found out there wasn't, but there WAS more Avengers movie coming. So I kind of expected a reconciliation at the end since they would be teaming up to fight Thanos in the next Avengers, right?

But your post did clear up the questions I had. I assume having two groups of Avengers will be a continuing subplot into the Infinity War movies. As far as Black Panther, I may be ignorant of the comics but I am informed just enough to know that BP has his own movie coming out so I'm not detracting from Civil War at all for not exploring his backstory. I'll be sure to see his movie when it comes out as I liked his character.

Anyways yea, I loved the film. Avengers 2 was a big disappointment for me and I wasn't surprised to hear a lot of comic book faithful agreed. I had a blast with Civil War, it felt short honestly, which is strong praise for a 2.5 hour film.
 

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Haha, yea, I know, I just don't get the Spiderman love. I didn't grow up with comic books, I've never read them, I dunno. Maybe that has something to do with it. Every Spiderman movie I've seen has been cringe worthy. He's just not my guy I guess.
Yeah, I get it man.. the movies weren't all that..

Personally, I think Spider-Man 1 & 2 were good and great, respectively. Spider-Man 3 was terrible, just, an abomination.

Amazing Spider-Man, I thought, was really good. I thought they were really onto something, even though I was against the reboot - I liked the fact it seemed they would go with a darker themed Spider-Man and it seemed like they were going to stick, at least somewhat, to the source material a bit more.

Amazing Spider-Man 2... Oh my Lord.. Yeah, that movie was awful.

But in the comic books, Spider-Man really is just a fantastic character. He's not the strongest, or the fastest, or the most powerful; but he's close enough to tango with anybody. Also, his motivations are legitimately interesting. He's fighting for his ethics, but at the same time, he's sacrificing a lot.

Spider-Man could make tons of money and have a great life, but he chooses not to. He chooses to struggle, and go through normal problems like paying bills, dealing with his girl, dealing with his aunt aging, getting sick, and not having enough money... Spidey has a job not as a backstory, but to feed himself, and at times his aunt.

Spider-Man is the only super-hero I know of that has been evicted from his apartment (not once, but 3 times).

Batman is a billionaire, his problems are really in his head.. He's a story of man vs himself; which is incredibly interesting, but not in the same way.. Superman is basically Space Jesus; and I say that as a huge Supes fan, since Supes lets you really explore ethical dillemmas in ways that other superheroes can't. Captain America is the ultimate patriot, he is almost flawless, by design (actually Cap't America suffers from depression and separation anxiety, but, the movies don't go into this as much as the comics).

Iron Man, the Hulk, and Spider-Man were Marvel's first major attempts at truly flawed heroes. Iron Man's flaws are obvious (much worse in the comics), Hulk is a lunatic with so many problems you can't help but feel bad (again, far far worse in the comics), and understand why he's suicidial at times.

But Spider-Man is relatable. His problems are problems that, most folks can relate to.. And I think that's why he's so popular.
 

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Sidenote: The guys who created the Marvel Experience came to me for a loan on their 3D domes several years ago. This project had been off my radar, but I see this launched last year.

Has anyone been to this before? How is it?
 

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Seriously...who hates Spider-Man?

I feel like he's everyone's favorite. The tv show back in the day was great.
Spiderman, Xmen, and Batman were all hot shit. I think they have a lot to do with the success of comic book movies imo.
 
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