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Jack Brickman

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I get not wanting Disney to own everything, but having multiple universes for what should be a singular property is super disappointing.
Plus Sony is definitely just going to fuck it all up anyway. They should have handed all their shit to Marvel, taken a 50/50 split, and let Marvel do all the work.
 

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Welp looks like I’m not supporting Sony Spider-Man movies now. Horseshit.
 

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You know this is a money ploy and it's going to backfire in Sony's face. Already got a #boycottSony trending. They'll cave.
 

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Plus Sony is definitely just going to fuck it all up anyway. They should have handed all their shit to Marvel, taken a 50/50 split, and let Marvel do all the work.
I think they will screw it up too but I think Marvel screwed up with their original deal with Sony. Marvel/Disney were pushing for a 50/50 split but I think the original deal was a 95/5 split in Sony's favor for any standalone Spiderman movie. It didn't make sense for Marvel to center their MCU around Spiderman with that split but it didn't make sense for Sony to give up that kind of split on any Spiderman movie. They made an average of 600-700 million on the Spiderman movies before joining the MCU. Far from Home has grossed 1.1 billion with a production budget of 170 million and whatever the advertising budget was. Advertising budgets can be just as much as the production budgets. A 25/75 split or something around that in Sony's favor would probably have been more appropriate.
 

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I think they will screw it up too but I think Marvel screwed up with their original deal with Sony. Marvel/Disney were pushing for a 50/50 split but I think the original deal was a 95/5 split in Sony's favor for any standalone Spiderman movie. It didn't make sense for Marvel to center their MCU around Spiderman with that split but it didn't make sense for Sony to give up that kind of split on any Spiderman movie. They made an average of 600-700 million on the Spiderman movies before joining the MCU. Far from Home has grossed 1.1 billion with a production budget of 170 million and whatever the advertising budget was. Advertising budgets can be just as much as the production budgets. A 25/75 split or something around that in Sony's favor would probably have been more appropriate.
If this continues on, you're going to see something major drop the same day that Sony puts out the sequel to Venom. The Marvel fanbase is in a tizzy already. There will be fallout from this. I have no doubt.
 

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If this continues on, you're going to see something major drop the same day that Sony puts out the sequel to Venom. The Marvel fanbase is in a tizzy already. There will be fallout from this. I have no doubt.
Sony has a long history of being stupid.

With MCU fans boycotting their Spiderman films, and their usual film-by-executive committee (notes to death by people with no love for the source material) approach, they'll be losing money once more. How stupid are they? The Spiderman MCU films were good because Marvel's people had production control.

Remember, these are the idiots that managed fuck up Ghostebusters and lose a billion dollars due to poor films in a single year.
 

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If this continues on, you're going to see something major drop the same day that Sony puts out the sequel to Venom. The Marvel fanbase is in a tizzy already. There will be fallout from this. I have no doubt.
That could be true but don't forget that Disney/Marvel still has alot of the merchandise rights for Spiderman and most likely the rest of the characters in that universe. They still have an interest in seeing Sony do well with the Spiderman character and keeping the brand going.
 

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And, just after posting my rant, it seems that there is hope.

Both sides are still negotiating and the original beef was producer credits for Feige as well as money. But it is being reported that no one has walked away.

I imagine that with the massive uproar from fans directed at Sony, that Sony is realizing that they would definitely get the worse end of a Spidey and Night Monkeyless MCU.
 

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That could be true but don't forget that Disney/Marvel still has alot of the merchandise rights for Spiderman and most likely the rest of the characters in that universe. They still have an interest in seeing Sony do well with the Spiderman character and keeping the brand going.
Don't forget what Marvel essentially did because of Fox? They killed the X-Men, turned them into villians, pushed Inhumans heavily, stopped producing toys/licensing X-Men in anything.

They'll destroy their characters before accepting defeat.
 

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Don't forget what Marvel essentially did because of Fox? They killed the X-Men, turned them into villians, pushed Inhumans heavily, stopped producing toys/licensing X-Men in anything.

They'll destroy their characters before accepting defeat.
They have so many characters at this point that it's easy for them to fade some and push others to the front lines.
 

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They have so many characters at this point that it's easy for them to fade some and push others to the front lines.
If the impasse with Sony continues, it just means they'll double-up on pushing Dr. Strange.

Which is fine with me.

I'm just hoping the FF and especially Dr. Doom are in the near future.
 

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Don't forget what Marvel essentially did because of Fox? They killed the X-Men, turned them into villians, pushed Inhumans heavily, stopped producing toys/licensing X-Men in anything.

They'll destroy their characters before accepting defeat.
Spider-Man merch WAY outsells X-men merch, even when X-men we’re at their height. Spider-Man is Marvels most popular property, by far. No way they destroy Spider-Man.
 

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Spider-Man merch WAY outsells X-men merch, even when X-men we’re at their height. Spider-Man is Marvels most popular property, by far. No way they destroy Spider-Man.
And? I'd be curious to see X-Men merch sales vs Spider-Man merch sales in the past 5 years specifically. Honestly, Jim Lee era X-Men merch is super hot, and I wouldn't doubt is outselling Spider-Man at the moment. Huge push with House of X/Powers of X, and the Marvel Legends action figure line is crushing it right now.

Spider-Man is the biggest selling comic character of all time, even above Batman and Superman. I still wouldn't put it past Marvel to kill Spider-Man off for a year or two to hurt Sony. It's literally right in their playbook.
 
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And? I'd be curious to see X-Men merch sales vs Spider-Man merch sales in the past 5 years specifically. Honestly, Jim Lee era X-Men merch is super hot, and I wouldn't doubt is outselling Spider-Man at the moment. Huge push with House of X/Powers of X, and the Marvel Legends action figure line is crushing it right now.

Spider-Man is the biggest selling comic character of all time, even above Batman and Superman. I still wouldn't put it past Marvel to kill Spider-Man off for a year or two to hurt Sony. It's literally right in their playbook.
I’m also curious who owns the rights to Miles Morales. His version of Spider-Man was created well after the Sony deal and was part of the Ultimates comic line. They may have to give him a different name other then Spider-Man. If Marvel/Disney does they could always push that character.
 

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This reminds me of when Kyrie demanded a trade away from here- Sony thinks they can win away from the MCU but they will be in for a rude awakening.

On a positive note- who owns the rights to the Asperger's MJ? Disney or Sony? Please say Disney.
 

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