Mike Pence is Coronavirus czar, clearly not a Modello guy, and other politics discussion related to the virus

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Is Trump Taking Corona Seriously?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 14 20.0%
  • Nah, bro.

    Votes: 24 34.3%
  • Bah! Such Hand-Wringing Over Something No Worse Than the Flu!

    Votes: 4 5.7%
  • We Need to do a Lot More. Just in Case.

    Votes: 22 31.4%
  • Only the Blood of Virgins Will Shield Us From This Pestilence!

    Votes: 6 8.6%

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jking948

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For any regular discussion and all political discussion on coronavirus.
 

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I was listening to Trump on the radio. Did he just wing it? I couldn't understand a single point he was trying to make. I did recognize some flu stats that I saw in a meme though. It was on Twitter, so Trump probably saw the same one. Pence and the folks who followed seemed a lot more coherent.
 

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Trump was at best incoherent in that press conference. He clearly does not understand what is going on.
 

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Trump was at best incoherent in that press conference. He clearly does not understand what is going on.
Look, witch hunters, many people say it is no big deal. Everyone says it.

He obviously takes at face value that the Chinese are correct in their assessment. Why would the Chinese lie?

The virus is fake news and he has taken as much and care, and as many steps to combat it, as he has in ensuring the Russians do not interfere in the next election.
 

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Saying things like this is dangerous. All it takes is one person with this mindset to ignore safety precautions and continue to spread this pandemic.

You don't know that it's "nothing more than a flu." If we knew that, we wouldn't have been launching a worldwide campaign to stop it.

We know that the flu dies off every year, which is why we have "flu season." We have no idea what the Coronavirus will do.

We know roughly what we can expect from different mutations of influenza. We have no idea what the Coronavirus can mutate into.

The unknown is the only reason for caution. If we knew that its contagious season would come to an end in a month, and that it posed no risk of mutating into something more harmful, then you likely wouldn't have ever even heard of it. The impact so far is so inconsequential compared to a typical flu season--but nobody cares about what the impact has been. The CDC and every informed team around the world is trying to deal with the unlimited potential of what it could be.
 

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Ironically, the president was a big advocate for freaking the fuck out over Ebola, consistently attacking Obama for his lack of action. Now that's he's in charge, it's important to keep a level head because if the markets go south he's a one-term president. Oh, and let's put Mike in charge so the buck can stop somewhere else.

I hope Mike Pence handles this well, but his track record with disease and science generally gives me little confidence.

I'm not personally worried about the virus, but many lives are already being affected, it's not a joke, even if rumors spread faster than facts.
 

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Ironically, the president was a big advocate for freaking the fuck out over Ebola, consistently attacking Obama for his lack of action.
That may have been over the slightly different mortality rates. Ebola is near 90% whereas Coronavirus (2.8%) is less than influenza thus far.
 

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That may have been over the slightly different mortality rates. Ebola is near 90% whereas Coronavirus (2.8%) is less than influenza thus far.
Where are you getting that influenza has a higher mortality than COVID-19?

Death rate
So far this flu season, about 0.05% of people who caught the flu have died from the virus in the U.S., according to CDC data.

The death rate for COVID-19 appears to be higher than that of the flu.

In the study published Feb. 18 in the China CDC Weekly, researchers found a death rate from COVID-19 to be around 2.3% in mainland China. That's much higher than the death rate linked to flu, which is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times.
 

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Where are you getting that influenza has a higher mortality than COVID-19?

Death rate
So far this flu season, about 0.05% of people who caught the flu have died from the virus in the U.S., according to CDC data.

The death rate for COVID-19 appears to be higher than that of the flu.

In the study published Feb. 18 in the China CDC Weekly, researchers found a death rate from COVID-19 to be around 2.3% in mainland China. That's much higher than the death rate linked to flu, which is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times.
Is that 2.3% death rate taken from all cases, or just cases that have a final outcome (death or cure)? I haven't been able to find that information. Wondering if you have.

Also, just to put this into reference:

A case fatality rate of between 2% to 4% rivals and even exceeds that of the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic, which is estimated to have killed upwards of 50 million people. Even a case fatality rate of 0.7% — which means 7 out of every 1,000 infected people would die — is sobering. It is seven times the fatality rate for seasonal flu, which is estimated to kill between 290,000 and 650,000 people a year globally.
source: https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/25/new-data-from-china-buttress-fears-about-high-coronavirus-fatality-rate-who-expert-says/
 

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Where are you getting that influenza has a higher mortality than COVID-19?

Death rate
So far this flu season, about 0.05% of people who caught the flu have died from the virus in the U.S., according to CDC data.

The death rate for COVID-19 appears to be higher than that of the flu.

In the study published Feb. 18 in the China CDC Weekly, researchers found a death rate from COVID-19 to be around 2.3% in mainland China. That's much higher than the death rate linked to flu, which is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times.
Fwiw, the death rate from the flu in China is higher than the 0.1% here in the US, which is to be expected with their worse infrastructure, cleanliness, etc. I don't remember exactly where I saw the number, so I don't have the citation, but I seem to remember the percentage being 2-3% for the flu in China (though I could be wrong). So that could be another thing to take into consideration with the coronavirus. The death rates might be much lower in countries like the US.
 

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Is that 2.3% death rate taken from all cases, or just cases that have a final outcome (death or cure)? I haven't been able to find that information. Wondering if you have.
Latest data I've found is 3.4%

 

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