Mike Pence is Coronavirus czar, clearly not a Modello guy, and other politics discussion related to the virus

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How Has President Trump Handled the COVID Crisis?

  • He gave a powerful, dominant response. COVID is defeated.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yeah, he made some mistakes, but on the balance he did well.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 3.6 Roentgens. Not bad, not great.

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • Trump did not help things and could have done better.

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • Trump's response was an utter disaster and catastrophic in lives and treasure.

    Votes: 17 77.3%
  • Who cares. We all deserve to die.

    Votes: 3 13.6%
  • Maine Coon would have done better.

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Jack Brickman

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The VA tried using the drug on COVID cases and it was associated with higher morality than those who didn't receive the drug.

And again for everyone, not a single study has demonstrated a benefit.

It is no more than a placebo at this point for COVID (although that has some small value in itself), until a proper study demonstrates otherwise.
My guess is that Trump is taking it, or at least claiming to, because there's little downside for him right now. He's not currently sick, and so he can claim the drug helps him in an effort to prove he was right all along and to "own the libs," which at this point seems like the GOP's main campaign strategy.

If he gets sick, no doubt he'll just make up some other lie, like he missed a dose one day or some other bullshit. But I doubt he's thinking that far ahead.
 

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Why do you feel posting something about Hydroxychloroquine being a prescription drug for used for decades to treat certain illnesses has anything to do with the current conversation?
The Democrat nominee for President seems to think it's a dangerous drug that does much more harm than good. He said it's irresponsible to take the drug. Just thought i'd prove that he is wrong and that it is a safe and proven drug.
 

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No one is saying the drug shouldn't be used. What they're saying is that it's dangerous to take a drug that isn't designed to treat covid, which all evidence seems to say doesn't help treat covid, and take it to treat covid.

You'd think that would be common sense, but we live in strange times.
Trump could say that the sky was green and his supporters would tell those that disagree that they must be colorblind.
 

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The Democrat nominee for President seems to think it's a dangerous drug that does much more harm than good. He said it's irresponsible to take the drug. Just thought i'd prove that he is wrong and that it is a safe and proven drug.
Remicade is great for those with Chrons disease. Could very well kill a healthy person that doesn't have an autoimmune disease. Doesn't change that it's a safe and proven drug for it's intended purposes. Arguing this point is like trying to convince my 6 year that red meat is good. She won't touch a steak but will eat a burger any day, because she's convinced they can't come from the same animal.
 

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Remicade is great for those with Chrons disease. Could very well kill a healthy person that doesn't have an autoimmune disease. Doesn't change that it's a safe and proven drug for it's intended purposes. Arguing this point is like trying to convince my 6 year that red meat is good. She won't touch a steak but will eat a burger any day, because she's convinced they can't come from the same animal.
If you're saying that it's stupid to take a drug designed to treat something you don't have, well, fuck you.
 

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The Democrat nominee for President seems to think it's a dangerous drug that does much more harm than good. He said it's irresponsible to take the drug. Just thought i'd prove that he is wrong and that it is a safe and proven drug.
Pretty sure Biden knows it is safe for those diseases it is prescribed for.

It is dangerous though to some subsets of people.

I don't see why people are arguing.

Should Trump be on it? Probably not. Will it harm or kill him? Probably not.

Seems an odd thing for the public to obsess over in terms of his personal health.

In terms of him pushing the drug, it is more problematic but a separate issue in my opinion.
 

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Pretty sure Biden knows it is safe for those diseases it is prescribed for.

It is dangerous though to some subsets of people.

I don't see why people are arguing.

Should Trump be on it? Probably not. Will it harm or kill him? Probably not.

Seems an odd thing for the public to obsess over in terms of his personal health.

In terms of him pushing the drug, it is more problematic but a separate issue in my opinion.

People argue about every little thing the President does. Within hours of Trump saying hes taking the drug numerous politicians and media members basically were saying wtf is he doing. He shouldn't be taking that drug! One media member went as far as to say the drug will kill you. There were and maybe still are actual studies being done with this drug for covid-19 so who the hell cares if the President is taking it.
 

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People argue about every little thing the President does. Within hours of Trump saying hes taking the drug numerous politicians and media members basically were saying wtf is he doing. He shouldn't be taking that drug! One media member went as far as to say the drug will kill you. There were and maybe still are actual studies being done with this drug for covid-19 so who the hell cares if the President is taking it.
Because it's literally a perfect example of everything wrong in this fucking country. Intentional ignorance. I'm going to do what I want, ignore any science behind it. People will listen and do as I say. Trump is literally the idiot you went to HS with that graduated with a C telling you to shove cottage cheese in your ass to cure cancer, and you're fucking eating it up like it's god damn cake.
 

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And people have to go on the news and debunk it and say it can kill you because anything short of saying that, people will try want to try it. Even then people will still want to try it because of Trump.
 

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People argue about every little thing the President does. Within hours of Trump saying hes taking the drug numerous politicians and media members basically were saying wtf is he doing. He shouldn't be taking that drug! One media member went as far as to say the drug will kill you. There were and maybe still are actual studies being done with this drug for covid-19 so who the hell cares if the President is taking it.
Literally took me 30 seconds to find and read that the drug is deadly in people who do not have autoimmune or malaria.

Arguing in bad faith is dubious.

 

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Here's what I'm confused about. Trump claims he takes this drug now, but he doesn't have COVID (based on available information), so that means he's taking it as a precaution, perhaps to stave off COVID... Is this a thing? Has the drug been prescribed to people who aren't confirmed cases? I've seen the articles about the debatable effects on a patient, but are doctors recommending people to pop these pills while they are healthy?
They are saying it may be useful as a prophalactic, meaning to prevent or diminish the impact of the disease

There is some kind of interaction with Metformin, the most common medication given to type 2 diabetics... So yeah you dont just self medicate.. talk to your doc, like any other prescribed medication...... I know that some physicians are prescribing it as a treatment of COVID..
 

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This argument is so ridiculous. I’m trying to make a point that this drug is not dangerous. You need a prescription from a DR in order to take it meaning that if you’re taking it your DR approved it. At that point it’s not a dangerous drug. How the hell is it not ok for Trump to take this drug? Thousands possibly millions of people are taking this drug.

Trump maybe that high school kid who got Cs but he sure is one hell of lot more successful than any of you guys will ever be. He’s also your President and will be for the next 4.5 years.
 

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This argument is so ridiculous. I’m trying to make a point that this drug is not dangerous. You need a prescription from a DR in order to take it meaning that if you’re taking it your DR approved it. At that point it’s not a dangerous drug. How the hell is it not ok for Trump to take this drug? Thousands possibly millions of people are taking this drug.

Trump maybe that high school kid who got Cs but he sure is one hell of lot more successful than any of you guys will ever be. He’s also your President and will be for the next 4.5 years.
The 2nd part of the message aside, the physician did write him a prescription, so what he's doing isn't illegal, of course. But the same physician didn't recommend it and we know what the problem with the drug is. And the bigger problem is that some people will see that the President is taking the drug, which could cause a run on the drug and be really bad for those with malaria or other autoimmune diseases.

The 2nd part of the message is so obviously bait. We'll see, sir. Hopefully enough people see through his bullshit and 3rd grader mentality.
 

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