Mike Pence is Coronavirus czar, clearly not a Modello guy, and other politics discussion related to the virus

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How Has President Trump Handled the COVID Crisis?

  • He gave a powerful, dominant response. COVID is defeated.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yeah, he made some mistakes, but on the balance he did well.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 3.6 Roentgens. Not bad, not great.

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • Trump did not help things and could have done better.

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • Trump's response was an utter disaster and catastrophic in lives and treasure.

    Votes: 17 77.3%
  • Who cares. We all deserve to die.

    Votes: 3 13.6%
  • Maine Coon would have done better.

    Votes: 1 4.5%

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Bob_The_Cat

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So I live in Dublin, OH. For those that don’t know, it’s a suburb about 15 min from downtown Columbus. In terms of affluent and educated people, Dublin might be the top area in Columbus, trailing Upper Arlington if anyone. For reference, this is where the Memorial Tournament is played.

There’s a hiking trail near downtown Dublin that I like to go to. Even during non-COVID times, I always go at odd times when there’s fewer people, and I go on a part of the trail that’s harder to get to and have seen a total of two people on in about 20 trips. Many times I’ll go on the main trail because there’s no one even on it.

Anyway, I go up there a little after 8PM (it remains light there until about 9). As I’m driving through downtown Dublin, the streets and restaurants are just as crowded as a normal nice Friday spring/summer evening not during a pandemic.

To be honest, I don’t think anyone was even on the trail at that moment, but I literally couldn’t find anywhere to park. It was nuts. As I turn around and head home I’m sitting at the stop light looking around. There were likely 50 people in the area and I believe I saw one person with a mask.

This shit’s about to get bad unless heat actually has some positive effect. People just seemed to be
 

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After being turned away at the Canadian border last week while trying to visit my daughter, I took some tips from the agent on the US side coming back. The takeaway from that was that she could cross into the states without problem because she's a citizen. While trying to get clarification on things over the phone, the US side was a waste of time. Every person pretty much told me to check the website. The Canadian side was much more helpful. I pretty much threw as much shit against the wall to see what would stick. When I was turned away last week, I had to pull into a space where they inspect cars they flag. The main road was a stone's throw from where I was parked. I asked, "Can my ex just drop her off right there, so she can just walk to me?" He said something like that should work since I was not going to actually go into the country. She can meet me at the inspection point. Sweet. They said that my daughter would have to self-quarantine for two weeks when coming back which was happening anyway, so no biggie. So today, I pull up to the Canadian border agent, and she has no idea what I am proposing to her to happen. I tell her I spoke on the phone with someone who said it was cool to which she says that she doesn't know who told me that, but that isn't allowed. She flags my car and sends me to the inspection area. At the very least, I am where I need to be to make the exchange. This guy comes out, and I explain what I talked the agent over the phone about. He said that my ex can't enter their inspection building from the street. Fuck. He then said..."but she can come in like she's crossing to the states and just park right next to you." Jackpot. She pulls in, and my girl is looking out the window at me. She had no idea this was happening until she saw me. 62 fucking days it's been. We had the best hug imaginable. I grabbed her stuff and high-tailed it to the US side before anyone changed their minds. We crossed back without any issue. We spent part of today reliving her 8th birthday that I missed in person. I'm one happy dude right now.
 

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After being turned away at the Canadian border last week while trying to visit my daughter, I took some tips from the agent on the US side coming back. The takeaway from that was that she could cross into the states without problem because she's a citizen. While trying to get clarification on things over the phone, the US side was a waste of time. Every person pretty much told me to check the website. The Canadian side was much more helpful. I pretty much threw as much shit against the wall to see what would stick. When I was turned away last week, I had to pull into a space where they inspect cars they flag. The main road was a stone's throw from where I was parked. I asked, "Can my ex just drop her off right there, so she can just walk to me?" He said something like that should work since I was not going to actually go into the country. She can meet me at the inspection point. Sweet. They said that my daughter would have to self-quarantine for two weeks when coming back which was happening anyway, so no biggie. So today, I pull up to the Canadian border agent, and she has no idea what I am proposing to her to happen. I tell her I spoke on the phone with someone who said it was cool to which she says that she doesn't know who told me that, but that isn't allowed. She flags my car and sends me to the inspection area. At the very least, I am where I need to be to make the exchange. This guy comes out, and I explain what I talked the agent over the phone about. He said that my ex can't enter their inspection building from the street. Fuck. He then said..."but she can come in like she's crossing to the states and just park right next to you." Jackpot. She pulls in, and my girl is looking out the window at me. She had no idea this was happening until she saw me. 62 fucking days it's been. We had the best hug imaginable. I grabbed her stuff and high-tailed it to the US side before anyone changed their minds. We crossed back without any issue. We spent part of today reliving her 8th birthday that I missed in person. I'm one happy dude right now.
That is great!

Always good when the little guy gets a win against bureaucracy.

Happy for you!
 

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Because it's literally a perfect example of everything wrong in this fucking country. Intentional ignorance. I'm going to do what I want, ignore any science behind it. People will listen and do as I say. Trump is literally the idiot you went to HS with that graduated with a C telling you to shove cottage cheese in your ass to cure cancer, and you're fucking eating it up like it's god damn cake.
I go for my colonoscopy on the 2nd, I'll let you know how my clinical trial of this cure of yours does.
 

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This shit’s about to get bad unless heat actually has some positive effect. People just seemed to be
Odds are that things are going to be just fine. 100s of people have been flocking stores this entire time, majority without a mask.
80% of the country wouldn’t be opening up if it wasn’t truly safe. Even a large majority of the left thinks it’s fine.
 

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And what are your thoughts about people who deliberately infected people with HIV?

I think they are grades to this: Certainly if you know you have COVID and cough on people, that is an intent to harm. And with a potentially lethal "weapon."

If one does not know they are infected then it becomes simple assault given the circumstances.
If someone knows they are infected and intentionally coughs or spits on someone else, that could be assault or at least wreckless endangerment (civil suit). If someone intentionally coughs on someone with the intent to intimidate, then I think Menacing is a more appropriate path, which is a law in some places.
 

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If someone knows they are infected and intentionally coughs or spits on someone else, that could be assault or at least wreckless endangerment (civil suit). If someone intentionally coughs on someone with the intent to intimidate, then I think Menacing is a more appropriate path, which is a law in some places.
if you assault someone and they die because of the assault, it's murder.
 

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Odds are that things are going to be just fine. 100s of people have been flocking stores this entire time, majority without a mask.
80% of the country wouldn’t be opening up if it wasn’t truly safe. Even a large majority of the left thinks it’s fine.
Only way it's going to be "fine" is if people act like it's not going to be fine and do things like wear masks and continue social distancing. Such a mistake to think the virus won't spread exponentially again if people stop doing that.
 

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Thats what i mean. If we keep doing what we’ve been doing for the last 4-6 weeks, there’s no reason we can’t get back to doing basic, everyday things. Zero reason to go into panic mode. Like any virus, it’s going to effect a lot of people, but the overwhelming majority won’t be severely hurt. Hell, I’d say tens of millions have already had it and showed zero signs. I know 4 people personally who we are 99% positive had it and it went away after a few weeks, my Dad being one.
Only way it's going to be "fine" is if people act like it's not going to be fine and do things like wear masks and continue social distancing. Such a mistake to think the virus won't spread exponentially again if people stop doing that.
 

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Thats what i mean. If we keep doing what we’ve been doing for the last 4-6 weeks, there’s no reason we can’t get back to doing basic, everyday things. Zero reason to go into panic mode. Like any virus, it’s going to effect a lot of people, but the overwhelming majority won’t be severely hurt. Hell, I’d say tens of millions have already had it and showed zero signs. I know 4 people personally who we are 99% positive had it and it went away after a few weeks, my Dad being one.
Has the antibody testing done so far shown this, though? MLB tested 5,000 of their employees and only 0.7% had antibodies. Of those who did have antibodies, 70% were asymptomatic. This represented folks from all across the nation. Either none of them have been exposed or were exposed enough to develop antibodies. Either way, this doesn't really back up the assertion this has been widespread. At best, it shows that asymptomatic carriers can possibly develop immunity but that still is a scary-low #.

My opinion? This isn't as widespread as folks assume. I think many areas, including our state, shut down just in time.
 
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It’s absolutely remarkable to me that the people who think that Costco can’t require members to wear a mask and think that Bill Gates has some new world order planned from his vaccine and the government is involved. And think that masks are actually harmful. It’s amazing to me that these people call OTHER people sheep. Like God damn they couldn’t be more ironic if they tried
 

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Odds are that things are going to be just fine. 100s of people have been flocking stores this entire time, majority without a mask.
80% of the country wouldn’t be opening up if it wasn’t truly safe. Even a large majority of the left thinks it’s fine.
I think dine in restaurants are a huge question mark in terms of safety. We have seen big out breaks in nursing homes, meat packing, and prisons. Those are all places where the people are in an enclosed area with each other for long periods. Then next line down would be churches where we have seen outbreaks. In terms of density, space, and time spent in the area, I think restaurants and churches are fairly close. Restaurants will be less dense and slightly less time spent there but more frequency to when people come in.

Retail has seemingly been safe which I think is because of constant movement, less time spent in the store, and very little talking. Also the HVAC systems in big box stores are typically engineered real well. There is typically alot of air circulation.

I think alot of restaurants that are doing fine with take out, delivery, and curbside, don't seem to be in any rush to open up their dining rooms. The bigger corporations and restaurants groups would have better resources to figure out the risk. When I heard alot of insurance companies didn't plan to bring back their employees into offices, I realize that companies that assess risk didn't think it was worth it. The fast food and fast casual which are typically owned by big corporations are all keeping their dining rooms closed.
 

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Has the antibody testing done so far shown this, though? MLB tested 5,000 of their employees and only 0.7% had antibodies. Of those who did have antibodies, 70% were asymptomatic. This represented folks from all across the nation. Either none of them have been exposed or were exposed enough to develop antibodies. Either way, this doesn't really back up the assertion this has been widespread. At best, it shows that asymptomatic carriers can possibly develop immunity but that still is a scary-low #.

My opinion? This isn't as widespread as folks assume. I think many areas, including our state, shut down just in time.
It might not be as widespread as alot assume but the potential is still there to have a massive outbreak. In Ohio we still don't have the wide spread testing for people with symptoms. At the end of the day, we would be much better off if the state could get it's act together and get testing to the right levels. I think we still are at a level that this can be squashed with good testing and contact tracing.

It will hurt the economy and people's jobs the longer this lingers. Outbreaks will hurt industries especially restaurants and retail. Even if the numbers start ticking up people will associate it with restaurants and retail, then they will withdraw from those activities and back into their homes.

Dewine and the state government has spent time trying to figure out how to get summer camps, youth baseball, pools, and county fairs to happen while still being behind on testing. Alot of those things have since said they will cancel it regardless of the guidelines the state put out. There just isn't enough focus on the one thing (testing) that will actually help get us closer to normal. How long does each of the daily press conference take for them to prepare? How much actual info are we getting from them now?
 
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if you assault someone and they die because of the assault, it's murder.
Prove it was them coughing that infected you. You're living in lala land if you think you're getting a murder conviction for coughing on someone.
 

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