Mike Pence is Coronavirus czar, clearly not a Modello guy, and other politics discussion related to the virus

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How Has President Trump Handled the COVID Crisis?

  • He gave a powerful, dominant response. COVID is defeated.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yeah, he made some mistakes, but on the balance he did well.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 3.6 Roentgens. Not bad, not great.

    Votes: 3 7.3%
  • Trump did not help things and could have done better.

    Votes: 3 7.3%
  • Trump's response was an utter disaster and catastrophic in lives and treasure.

    Votes: 29 70.7%
  • Who cares. We all deserve to die.

    Votes: 5 12.2%
  • Maine Coon would have done better.

    Votes: 5 12.2%

  • Total voters
    41
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Jack Brickman

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I don’t think we’ll be able to squash it out at this point in the United States. Too many people have it, and too few people have the will to squash it out that’d be needed. Even if we were able to get the R0 under 1, I don’t think people would remain vigilant enough to keep it under 1.

I know I like to hate on the covid precautions, but I do feel like I do a pretty good job of following them. Better than most people, imho, which doesn’t really bode well for containment. I know several people who have vacationed to Florida this summer and I just wonder why are people like this. It’s only going to get worse with colleges starting soon and students heading back to their college towns.
The main issue is that we've got a combination of some of the dumbest and the most selfish people in our country. We've spent so many decades defunding education to the point that we are easily the dumbest first world country, and social media that allows people to access "news" that tells them what they want to hear rather than facts certainly doesn't help, but we've also established a "gotta get mine, fuck everyone else" culture where people generally lack empathy and don't care about something like covid until it impacts them directly.

It's, as we've seen, a very dangerous combination.
 

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I listened to the Taiwan's Digital Minister (yup, such a thing) Audrey Tang talk about her country's response to the virus and the democratic process. She had a lot of insights and echos what you wrote. She argues that it is a mistake trying to get full or overwhelming consent from the people. Rather, a more pragmatic approach was a rough consent, where you are asking people, "Can you live with that?" Most people will say, "Yeah, I can." even if not in full support. Then it is a matter of trying to fine that point where people are willing to comply. Once on board, it becomes normalized and easier to push for stronger compliance if needed.
Nice...well explained strategy.
 

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We've spent so many decades defunding education to the point that we are easily the dumbest first world country
I really want Dems to focus on education once they're in power after this election. This year has made it painfully obvious that our citizens are incapable of thinking logically and don't understand history.
 

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I really want Dems to focus on education once they're in power after this election. This year has made it painfully obvious that our citizens are incapable of thinking logically and don't understand history.
I suspect the Dems will do what they usually do if they come to power next year. Squander it.
 

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I just wish we would tell everyone we're all staying at home for four weeks. Get whatever supplies you need to make that work for you. Here are some rations and supplies if you need them.

I'm ready for cities, counties and states to just say "fuck the rest of the country" and close borders. Eradicate the virus at the smallest scale and start to work your way up.
Man after the mask meltdowns can you imagine the things people would do if states tried that? I’d almost want it to happen for the entertainment value, though unfortunately it’d probably turn deadly.

We’re not going to see any kind of cohesive plan until November, even longer if Trump wins, unfortunately. We had a great opportunity back in the spring but we blew it. Now we’ve got like half the country acting like everything is normal and I don’t see them changing their mindsets.

Idk, I know I sound hella defeated and ‘well, there’s nothing we can do,’ but that’s where I’m at at this point. It feels like we’re screwed.
 

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The main issue is that we've got a combination of some of the dumbest and the most selfish people in our country. We've spent so many decades defunding education to the point that we are easily the dumbest first world country, and social media that allows people to access "news" that tells them what they want to hear rather than facts certainly doesn't help, but we've also established a "gotta get mine, fuck everyone else" culture where people generally lack empathy and don't care about something like covid until it impacts them directly.

It's, as we've seen, a very dangerous combination.
Can’t really disagree with any of this. I see it all whenever I check the comments on my hometown newspaper’s Facebook page. Its like they’re living in a completely different world.
 

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Can’t really disagree with any of this. I see it all whenever I check the comments on my hometown newspaper’s Facebook page. Its like they’re living in a completely different world.
My parents are very Republican and me and them have clashed on many issues, but it's been refreshing to talk to my mom about covid and hear her talk shit about all her friends that refuse to wear masks. One of the few things we can agree on politically. Granted, it's probably because my dad is a cancer survivor and thus is in the at risk group, but still, nice to see them show some common sense when it comes to this pandemic.

I'm doing my part by drinking 123 proof whiskey tonight, which I'm pretty sure is the alcoholic equivalent of Trump's suggestion of injecting ourselves with bleach.
 

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I just wish we would tell everyone we're all staying at home for four weeks. Get whatever supplies you need to make that work for you. Here are some rations and supplies if you need them.

I'm ready for cities, counties and states to just say "fuck the rest of the country" and close borders. Eradicate the virus at the smallest scale and start to work your way up.
The issue is that, while this would certainly work short term, all it takes is one infected person coming into the country and we're back to square one. We'd have to shut everything down for four weeks and keep our country locked down until the rest of the world gets over it, and that's just not realistic.
 

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The issue is that, while this would certainly work short term, all it takes is one infected person coming into the country and we're back to square one. We'd have to shut everything down for four weeks and keep our country locked down until the rest of the world gets over it, and that's just not realistic.
If you can get it to zero, or that small of a number, that's where border control handles the rest--and contact tracing if something sneaks by.

Check out what's going on right now in Queensland for how I see it playing out:

 

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To really take control of the virus wouldn't a country have to:

  1. Totally quarantine everyone, isolating the already sick wherever they are being treated. This would be to the extent of, "Hey fuck faces, get your supplies because you ain't leaving your house for 2+ weeks."
  2. Stay quarantined after that two week period until you are tested. Everybody tested. Every. Body.
  3. If you test clear...you're clear. Go about your business.
  4. If you are sick, you're quarantined/hospitalized until you're negative.
The above is assuming no false negatives.
 

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If you can get it to zero, or that small of a number, that's where border control handles the rest--and contact tracing if something sneaks by.

Check out what's going on right now in Queensland for how I see it playing out:

That seems a bit more realistic for a country that's an island than it does our country.
 

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Can’t really disagree with any of this. I see it all whenever I check the comments on my hometown newspaper’s Facebook page. Its like they’re living in a completely different world.
How are things going back in your home town?

Has COVID hit there significantly?
 

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So, I saw the Stanford ENT doctors again today.

The Bactrim they Rx'd did not completely work, I still am feeling shitty with fevers everyday and the right tonsil is still very large.

At this point they don't know what is up. They think it is some sort of post-COVID syndrome but they don't have any answers.

I had a Stanford doctor, and Stanford is one of the finest medical centers in the world, very senior doctor, tell me to my face he didn't know what is wrong with me or how to treat me. And his very cute medical student said he is thankful he wasn't being graded based off of evaluating me.*

This virus is very tricky and that is not good. All I can say is protect yourselves.


* He was pretty hot. Looks like the guy who plays the Flash. You don't see a lot of hot med students IMHO. Nice, 6-1, nice wide shoulders, light brown hair. Trim. Lean. Blue eyes. Dresses well. He liked my cane. Swung it around a little. He asked me about Army a lot. Don't think he is gay though, otherwise I would have asked him if he wanted to play doctor somewhere.
 

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How are things going back in your home town?

Has COVID hit there significantly?
It’s been faring pretty well. There’s nothing to do there, so that helps quite a bit. Peoples actions definitely haven’t been the reason for the low spread. Churches are probably the riskiest place to be because no one wears masks and they’re the biggest mass gathering places, but my parents aren’t going back until a vaccine comes out so that makes me feel better. They’re in their 40s and healthy so I’m not toooo worried, but you never know with this virus.
 

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