Mike Pence is Coronavirus czar, clearly not a Modello guy, and other politics discussion related to the virus

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How Has President Trump Handled the COVID Crisis?

  • He gave a powerful, dominant response. COVID is defeated.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yeah, he made some mistakes, but on the balance he did well.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 3.6 Roentgens. Not bad, not great.

    Votes: 3 7.3%
  • Trump did not help things and could have done better.

    Votes: 3 7.3%
  • Trump's response was an utter disaster and catastrophic in lives and treasure.

    Votes: 29 70.7%
  • Who cares. We all deserve to die.

    Votes: 5 12.2%
  • Maine Coon would have done better.

    Votes: 5 12.2%

  • Total voters
    41
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Sebastian

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It’s been faring pretty well. There’s nothing to do there, so that helps quite a bit. Peoples actions definitely haven’t been the reason for the low spread. Churches are probably the riskiest place to be because no one wears masks and they’re the biggest mass gathering places, but my parents aren’t going back until a vaccine comes out so that makes me feel better. They’re in their 40s and healthy so I’m not toooo worried, but you never know with this virus.
Their 40s? Wow, they are young, they got married early?
 

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Yeah, they got married after high school and had me a few years later. Crazy if you ask me, lol. It’s nice having younger parents now that I’m an adult though.
Yeah, they have no excuse not to take care of the grandkids because they're "too old."
 

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Does the virus not come out to play until after 10 pm? Half measures are stupid. They’re economically damaging and don’t do enough to halt the virus. If places are going to take measures like this then they better provide enough economic relief to the business owners because otherwise they’re going to get completely shafted.

And honestly, shutting down bars isn’t going to stop young people from gathering. They’re just going to pack into their houses where there’s no oversight at all instead of bars.
 
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Maybe the line of thinking is that bars being open longer results in more people getting drunk, and that drunk people are more prone to violating social distancing guidelines?

Genuinely have no idea on the rationale, though.
 

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Part of thinks it is all power and set up the ability to use it in other areas. What if they try and use this to say protesters can’t protest after 10? I just think it is a slippery slope and IMO no ones wins. You either close the bars, or you leave them open. If anything why not just shrink the amount of people aloud in at a time?
 

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Part of thinks it is all power and set up the ability to use it in other areas. What if they try and use this to say protesters can’t protest after 10? I just think it is a slippery slope and IMO no ones wins. You either close the bars, or you leave them open. If anything why not just shrink the amount of people aloud in at a time?
Curfews already happened for protests, so this isn't really setting a precedent for that.
 

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Vanity Fair has a new piece out. It gets to the heart at why the White House's response to the virus has been an unmitigated disaster. Sure a lot of blame is to go around, but the fact that Trump's ego was of a larger concern than the virus really hindered a coordinated national response.


It digs in Kushner's plan, but also into a Rockefeller Foundation's Plan, among other issues.

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By early April, some who worked on the plan were given the strong impression that it would soon be shared with President Trump and announced by the White House. The plan, though imperfect, was a starting point. Simply working together as a nation on it “would have put us in a fundamentally different place,” said the participant.

But the effort ran headlong into shifting sentiment at the White House. Trusting his vaunted political instincts, President Trump had been downplaying concerns about the virus and spreading misinformation about it—efforts that were soon amplified by Republican elected officials and right-wing media figures. Worried about the stock market and his reelection prospects, Trump also feared that more testing would only lead to higher case counts and more bad publicity. Meanwhile, Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House’s coronavirus response coordinator, was reportedly sharing models with senior staff that optimistically—and erroneously, it would turn out—predicted the virus would soon fade away.

Against that background, the prospect of launching a large-scale national plan was losing favor, said one public health expert in frequent contact with the White House’s official coronavirus task force.

Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert. //snip
Premeditated murder, probably thousands of counts.

Really hope that the Dems don’t play nice when they (God willing) retake the White House and the Senate. Hold each and every one of these pieces of human pond scum accountable.
 

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Maybe the line of thinking is that bars being open longer results in more people getting drunk, and that drunk people are more prone to violating social distancing guidelines?

Genuinely have no idea on the rationale, though.
They cut off sales at the stadiums at certain points. Maybe this is along the same lines?
 

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They cut off sales at the stadiums at certain points. Maybe this is along the same lines?
Yeah, kinda what I was getting at. At a certain point it becomes difficult to enforce appropriate conduct when alcohol is involved.

Can’t have anyone running a naked mile in a crowded indoor space during a pandemic, now! :chuckle:
 

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Premeditated murder, probably thousands of counts.

Really hope that the Dems don’t play nice when they (God willing) retake the White House and the Senate. Hold each and every one of these pieces of human pond scum accountable.
No it's not.
 

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Go find the part in my post where I said anything about DeWine. I said states can change primaries. That's it.
I mean you were responding to a post about Governors ordering elections delayed, and that post was in response to me bitching about DeWine earlier this year so.......I added 2+2.

You didn't say "Mike DeWine," but Mike DeWine, and other Governors who did what he did (I actually don't know if others did??) were the topic of conversation.
 

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I mean you were responding to a post about Governors ordering elections delayed, and that post was in response to me bitching about DeWine earlier this year so.......I added 2+2.

You didn't say "Mike DeWine," but Mike DeWine, and other Governors who did what he did (I actually don't know if others did??) were the topic of conversation.
And like we said back then, there's a huge difference between a primary election and a general election.

There's also a huge difference between the powers each state has when it comes to elections, and the power the President has over those states in reference to the election.
 

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