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Without that stance we may not have baseball still in some ways...
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MLB Lock-Out is Finally Freakin’ Over
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Without that stance we may not have baseball still in some ways...
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Could say the same about doggystyle and cavepeople, but that doesn’t mean I have to stand for it.
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Could you try bending over at the waist?
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Then please do. This is not the appropriate thread to go off on a tangent discussing the intricacies of economic philosophy.
I'm not interested at all in a thread about capitalism.
Plain and simple, owners are successful businessmen or corporations within a capitalistic system. That's not debatable. There primary concern is margin of profit....winning, if it is a concern at all, is a secondary consideration.
Each player is a capitalist in that in almost all cases, they expect to receive as much money as possible for their baseball abilities. Winning is also a secondary consideration. They are gonna get paid whether they are on a winning team or not.
Neither side is gonna get everything they want, because everything that both sides want is mutually exclusive. The owners ultimately want the players to all make minimum wage. The players ultimately want a system in which every player is a free agent every year, but with a parachute for each, and the market is totally in control of salaries, except for those players that can't cut the mustard.
In essence, both sides want it both ways.
Plain and simple, owners are successful businessmen or corporations within a capitalistic system. That's not debatable. There primary concern is margin of profit....winning, if it is a concern at all, is a secondary consideration.
Each player is a capitalist in that in almost all cases, they expect to receive as much money as possible for their baseball abilities. Winning is also a secondary consideration. They are gonna get paid whether they are on a winning team or not.
Neither side is gonna get everything they want, because everything that both sides want is mutually exclusive. The owners ultimately want the players to all make minimum wage. The players ultimately want a system in which every player is a free agent every year, but with a parachute for each, and the market is totally in control of salaries, except for those players that can't cut the mustard.
In essence, both sides want it both ways.
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Did I go off on a tangent? No.
Did you start that interaction regarding the definition of capitalism? Yes.
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Yankees will look into three big free agents with many holes to fill: Sherman
If I were to defend the Yankees’ inactivity before the lockout, it would be: 1. They did nothing to add to their major league roster beyond retaining Joely Rodriguez, yet they still project to a 20…
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Joel Sherman's story is like so many..full of something.. not easily cleaned, especially the smell... Trading "excess pitching" would be fine if the excess pitching was excess pitching.. (The NYY's don't have excess pitching.. they're looking for more).. Getting Amed, who is "entering his walk year" from this alleged excess seems pretentiously arrogant.. wrong.. disrespectful..Yankees will look into three big free agents with many holes to fill: Sherman
If I were to defend the Yankees’ inactivity before the lockout, it would be: 1. They did nothing to add to their major league roster beyond retaining Joely Rodriguez, yet they still project to a 20…
or just bad..
The Sherman column highlights some of the Yankees problem.
They have valued power and size over baseball ability....the list of regressed prospects look more like a tryout for NFL tight ends than baseball players....excepting Torres. The rest are all defensively limited, and most are downright bad at that.
Sanchez, Voit, Bird, Andujar, Frazier.
Then throw in a midget SP.
The problem is not so much lack of development as lack of foundational baseball skill set.
Injuries have certainly not helped.
Much of the rest of the column is fantasy, in that it doesn't take into account the situations of several of the players on his trade wish list.
They have valued power and size over baseball ability....the list of regressed prospects look more like a tryout for NFL tight ends than baseball players....excepting Torres. The rest are all defensively limited, and most are downright bad at that.
Sanchez, Voit, Bird, Andujar, Frazier.
Then throw in a midget SP.
The problem is not so much lack of development as lack of foundational baseball skill set.
Injuries have certainly not helped.
Much of the rest of the column is fantasy, in that it doesn't take into account the situations of several of the players on his trade wish list.
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Started the interaction? Yes.
Went off on a tangent by discussing the intricacies of economic philosophy? No.
If you wish to discuss capitalism in further detail, start the separate thread or PM me. I won't do it here.
Rich Passan reports that the earliest that negotiations will resume is late January.
So much for any idea that either side is eager to not cause damage to the game.
To the contrary, both sides are willing to damage the game, as long as they damage the other side more.
Both sides should study the life of King Pyrrhus of Epirus and his battle against the Romans. He 'won' the battle, but lost everything he needed to continue his goal of conquest over the Romans.
So much for any idea that either side is eager to not cause damage to the game.
To the contrary, both sides are willing to damage the game, as long as they damage the other side more.
Both sides should study the life of King Pyrrhus of Epirus and his battle against the Romans. He 'won' the battle, but lost everything he needed to continue his goal of conquest over the Romans.
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I would think there are low key discussions going on all the time (as Bimbo confirmed), they just won't have "official" negotiations until closer to spring training. My guess is that this thing won't get really serious until the sides are up against deadlines that affect in season games. And, even then, it won't surprise me if the season is shortened a bit. There are three competing goals at play - players want what they want, owners want what they want, and fans just want it to end. We aren't close enough to ruining any of those goals yet for it to be really serious.
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I personally think, If they don't start the season on time then it will be very bad for everyone involved since the fans will not be as friendly. I feel like a fair amount of the casual fans already have had one foot out the door cause of the situation and if you lose games some will go out the door and they are getting any new fans honestly at the moment either.
Maybe the best thing to do is find a status quo, get certain things changed and allow in the next few off seasons to change the rest. I think a strike going into the season, will really put down baseball, almost to the point of Hockey or Soccer in the US...