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Myles Garrett : NFL 2023 DPOY

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I think Kittle is the best value on that list, especially with the disparity in the impact of offense in winning a football game.

You could sell me on Garrett being the #2 value onthat list, but I think there's more value to interior pass rush than exterior pass rush.
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I am pretty confident that the Browns will give Myles that contract. I am not sure I love paying an edge rusher $20 with the state of our interior defensive line and young players coming off rookie contracts.

Still, Myles is dominant and improving, so I cannot be too mad.
 
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I think Kittle is the best value on that list, especially with the disparity in the impact of offense in winning a football game.

You could sell me on Garrett being the #2 value onthat list, but I think there's more value to interior pass rush than exterior pass rush.

Kittle's record without JimmyG is 3-19.

This isn't to say that Myles is necessarily able to do that much better without a QB, since, you know, 0-16, but he isn't exactly that much worse a value.
 
Kittle's record without JimmyG is 3-19.

This isn't to say that Myles is necessarily able to do that much better without a QB, since, you know, 0-16, but he isn't exactly that much worse a value.
I think discussing the value of a football player by using his team's record is hilariously futile.

Screw that bum Barry Sanders. All hail Matt Cassell and his elite win percentage when he was sitting behind Brady.
 
I think discussing the value of a football player by using his team's record is hilariously futile.

Screw that bum Barry Sanders. All hail Matt Cassell and his elite win percentage when he was sitting behind Brady.

That's....not what I was trying to argue, and I was hoping that my second sentence would've made that clear.

We're not trying to compare "winning bench players" to "GOAT-value players on .500/losing teams," but rather the apples-to-apples of centerpiece players vs. centerpiece players, your original point.

I was merely trying to say that the "impact of offense in winning a football game" being drastically superior to defense isn't all that well proven by that Kittle stat, and that I wouldn't consider Kittle at just $3M less to be a superior value, especially since it's looking more and more like many of their other offensive stars are system players i.e. Mostert.
 
That's....not what I was trying to argue, and I was hoping that my second sentence would've made that clear.

We're not trying to compare "winning bench players" to "GOAT-value players on .500/losing teams," but rather the apples-to-apples of centerpiece players vs. centerpiece players, your original point.

I was merely trying to say that the "impact of offense in winning a football game" being drastically superior to defense isn't all that well proven by that Kittle stat, and that I wouldn't consider Kittle at just $3M less to be a superior value, especially since it's looking more and more like many of their other offensive stars are system players i.e. Mostert.
If you want to have a discussion about the value or impact of a player, or of a specific trait/position group, bringing up a team's record is not the way to do it.

If you think Kittle is just a system player, and not the most dynamic tight end in the league who consistently pressures a defense with his abilities, then I'm not sure what to tell you other than go watch him.
 
If you want to have a discussion about the value or impact of a player, or of a specific trait/position group, bringing up a team's record is not the way to do it.

If you think Kittle is just a system player, and not the most dynamic tight end in the league who consistently pressures a defense with his abilities, then I'm not sure what to tell you other than go watch him.

Not what I'm saying, either, just that since Shanny's system is one that makes a castoff of a worst-in-league Browns team from a few years ago look good, that Kittle's worth compared to Garrett might not be a $3MM difference.

Team record is a very noisy stat at best, when determining the value of an individual player or position outside of QB, but it's not meaningless, either, as many people seem to think; you brought up the comparative value of offense and defense, and in turn of each player, in winning a game. I think for instance Chubb added 2-3 wins by himself compared to a JAG RB this past year.
 
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That was inevitable.

And Nick will sign for more than Joey did. So on and so forth.
 
Just wait until Garrett signs a billion dollar deal in 7 years.
 

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