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It should be 8 but Allen got taken off last season or 9 but Arias strikes out to much for @CATS44 to believe he is a prospect so they lowered him as well due to his advice...
Arias & Freeman are not eligible for the ROY this year. Most national outlets use RoY eligibility as a determining factor for being on a top prospect ranking.
 
Arias & Freeman are not eligible for the ROY this year. Most national outlets use RoY eligibility as a determining factor for being on a top prospect ranking.

You sure Arias isn't still eligible? I didn't think he went over his rookie time last season?
 
You sure Arias isn't still eligible? I didn't think he went over his rookie time last season?
I know neither Freeman or Arias got the at bats to exhaust eligibility last year, but Freeman was on the MLB roster long enough to lose the eligibility (45 days needed).. Freeman had 64 days.

I really believed that Arias had around the same time length (especially with all the time on the IL last year), but all I see is 19 days for him with the double check..
 
I know neither Freeman or Arias got the at bats to exhaust eligibility last year, but Freeman was on the MLB roster long enough to lose the eligibility (45 days needed).. Freeman had 64 days.

I really believed that Arias had around the same time length (especially with all the time on the IL last year), but all I see is 19 days for him with the double check..

I thought so... I didn't think he reached the time, so he should still be ROY eligible.
 
Before anyone gets too excited about FG tweak to their top 100, they focused on Tampa and only made slight changes elsewhere since February. Kind of a joke when you don't jump Bibee and Williams even into top 30 (or 50 at least).

Naylor 45 to 47
Rocchio 54 to 56
Allen 57 to 60
Bibee 70 to 69
Williams 81 to 71
Espino 91 to 100
 
Before anyone gets too excited about FG tweak to their top 100, they focused on Tampa and only made slight changes elsewhere since February. Kind of a joke when you don't jump Bibee and Williams even into top 30 (or 50 at least).

Naylor 45 to 47
Rocchio 54 to 56
Allen 57 to 60
Bibee 70 to 69
Williams 81 to 71
Espino 91 to 100

Fangraphs hasn't been any good to Cleveland's system at the end of the day... I mean Brennan nor Kwan was even in the top 50 discussions until they were already on the big league roster...
 
Fangraphs hasn't been any good to Cleveland's system at the end of the day... I mean Brennan nor Kwan was even in the top 50 discussions until they were already on the big league roster...
Fangraphs had Kwan ranked higher than basically any other site before the season started last year, behind only Espino and Rocchio.

Edit: they had Kwan as the 3rd ranked Cleveland prospect when they put out their list on April 2022.
 
Fangraphs had Kwan ranked higher than basically any other site before the season started last year, behind only Espino and Rocchio.

Edit: they had Kwan as the 3rd ranked Cleveland prospect when they put out their list on April 2022.

April of 22 list, he wasn't on there before that one. He went from unranked to 3rd lol
 
Is there a general consensus on who has the best prospect rankings?

Feel like that may be the hardest thing to do in the sport from non-players, rate prospects.
 
Is there a general consensus on who has the best prospect rankings?

Feel like that may be the hardest thing to do in the sport from non-players, rate prospects.

I honestly just use prospect rankings as references and kind of average them in a sense....

Like most places have our top 10 as the same players in a different order since every place does evaluations a little different. Personally if I have players with the same FV I always rank the better floor higher even if the ceiling isn't as great since high floors have a greater MLB success rate. Some places will put the 5 tools above the high floors since the 5 tool types have a way higher celing...

You have MLB.com rankings, Baseball America, Fangraphs (aka @petes999 @Tondo @Gson) help me out with the other places lol

If you look at what Cleveland has been drafting and trading for, plus contact with a plus batters eye is priority when it comes to position players and command and ease of repeating delivery is what they focus on from the pitching side.
 
Is there a general consensus on who has the best prospect rankings?

Feel like that may be the hardest thing to do in the sport from non-players, rate prospects.
To @sportscoach’s point, I don’t think Fangraphs is top notch (the basically have 1-2 people doing all prospect work) but I do like how they have the standard rankings and the ZIP rankings.

Baseball America or Baseball Prospectus always seemed to be the gold standard but that was before there were a bunch more websites so I don’t know how they stack up.

The feedback from Bimbo seems to be that MLB teams’ prospect rankings can vary wildly from the public site rankings/consensus.
 
Before anyone gets too excited about FG tweak to their top 100, they focused on Tampa and only made slight changes elsewhere since February. Kind of a joke when you don't jump Bibee and Williams even into top 30 (or 50 at least).

Naylor 45 to 47
Rocchio 54 to 56
Allen 57 to 60
Bibee 70 to 69
Williams 81 to 71
Espino 91 to 100
We still have six of the top 100 and that doesn't count Arias, Cantillo, Valera, Freeman, and Will Brennan, who all have a legitimate shot at becoming regulars at some point.

Brennan is probably more of a fourth outfielder type. Arias' future may be in right field based on what we have in the infield (Jose, Gimenez, Rocchio, Freeman, Naylor). I'm guessing the right field battle next year or even later this year will come down to Brennan, Arias, Valera, and Oscar Gonzalez. It will be interesting to see which ones (if any) emerge to seize the position after the All-Star break.

Still that's 11 pretty good prospects that are all either with the Guardians or at AAA with the exception being Espino who would have been in Columbus if he was healthy.
 
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So don’t take prospect rankings as gospel? Got it! That’s unfortunate because I have 0 want or passion to follow 6 baseball teams close enough to judge prospects, so I’m just going to keep reading in here about guys.
 
So don’t take prospect rankings as gospel? Got it! That’s unfortunate because I have 0 want or passion to follow 6 baseball teams close enough to judge prospects, so I’m just going to keep reading in here about guys.

I mean for the most part the next set of players usually come from a top 30 list, but if you stick with one place for evaluations then you won't get a true evaluation of these guys...

Also if you don't want to exactly follow 6 teams, follow Akron and Columbus since they are AA and AAA and prospects who usually do well at AA/AAA usually get at least get their feet wet in the bigs. You can always ask questions as well since someone here knows about all the Cleveland prospects by the time they get to AA as well...
 
So, how are our Rule 5 players doing (as Nic's 60-day is up soon, so when does he have to be rostered)? He went on the 60-day DL on April 3rd retro to 3/27 and started a rehab on April 29th. As a rehab assignment is 30-days max for pitchers (other than TJS for another 30), seems like he has to be brought off 60-day DL on May 29th (next Monday). As of now, he has 13-2/3 innings with only 1 walk and 17ks and 3.95 ERA (14 hits - 2 HRs and 6 runs. Thus, he is holding his own, and pitching 2-3 innings every 4th day. Yet, Miami seems to have a pretty good relief staff right now, so do they rock the boat for Nic or just send him back? Currently, Barnes would be the worst of the bunch. And Puk, is suppose to come of IL in a week or so as well. So really no room.




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JT Chargois
1​
0​
0​
7​
0​
6.0​
9.00​
0.00​
0.00​
.077​
100.0%​
83.3%​
0.0%​
0.00​
0.73​
1.29​
1.56​
0.2​
2​
Bryan Hoeing
0​
0​
0​
5​
0​
7.0​
9.00​
7.71​
0.00​
.250​
90.0%​
62.5%​
0.0%​
1.29​
3.86​
4.77​
0.0​
3​
Steven Okert
1​
0​
0​
15​
0​
12.1​
11.68​
5.11​
0.73​
.130​
72.9%​
34.8%​
9.1%​
93.6​
2.19​
2.56​
3.45​
3.82​
0.2​
4​
Dylan Floro
2​
2​
5​
21​
0​
21.2​
8.31​
2.08​
0.83​
.268​
74.3%​
58.6%​
13.3%​
93.0​
2.49​
2.10​
3.48​
3.38​
0.3​
5​
George Soriano
0​
0​
0​
3​
0​
7.0​
3.86​
2.57​
0.00​
.280​
66.7%​
36.0%​
0.0%​
95.5​
2.57​
4.58​
3.29​
5.34​
0.1​
6​
A.J. Puk
3​
1​
6​
15​
0​
14.2​
11.66​
1.84​
1.23​
.325​
74.1%​
37.5%​
11.1%​
96.0​
3.07​
2.10​
3.29​
3.47​
0.3​
7​
Chi Chi Gonzalez
0​
0​
0​
2​
0​
2.2​
6.75​
3.38​
0.00​
.400​
80.0%​
60.0%​
0.0%​
93.2​
3.38​
4.05​
2.92​
4.11​
0.0​
8​
Andrew Nardi
3​
1​
1​
23​
0​
21.1​
10.13​
2.95​
1.69​
.269​
83.3%​
44.4%​
17.4%​
94.2​
3.38​
2.92​
4.60​
3.88​
0.0​
9​
Huascar Brazoban
0​
0​
0​
21​
0​
24.2​
10.58​
2.92​
0.36​
.388​
75.8%​
56.1%​
7.1%​
96.5​
3.65​
2.70​
2.68​
3.06​
0.6​
10​
Matt Barnes
1​
0​
0​
19​
0​
18.1​
7.36​
3.44​
0.98​
.291​
77.6%​
46.4%​
11.8%​
93.5​
3.93​
4.38​
4.44​
0.0​
11​
Tanner Scott
3​
1​
2​
21​
0​
21.0​
10.71​
4.71​
0.86​
.261​
69.0%​
53.2%​
13.3%​
95.9​
4.29​
3.05​
3.86​
3.76​
0.1​
 

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