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The nba doesn't have a value chart like the NFL. The value changes every draft and it can dramatically change from team to team.

I think the tiers in this draft are Zion then Morant/Barrett then Culver/Hunter/Reddish/White/Garland are in either one or two differnet tiers based on the teams. I think there is a pretty big drop in talent from #8 to #9. Then I could see another talent drop in the mid teens somewhere.

Well, it does actually. Whether you want to ascribe to it is another story. Here's Kevin Pelton's chart from 2017.
 
they better be giving us waaaaay more than just 10 and 17 if love is included. They don't have the assets too land love
Lol if its 5 + Love for #10 & #17, Cobi should be escorted out of the building.
 
Well, it does actually. Whether you want to ascribe to it is another story. Here's Kevin Pelton's chart from 2017.

I saw that chart but if you look at it moving from #3 to #5 like the Hawks did last year would only involve a #30 pick based on that chart. Someone can make a chart but that doesn't mean that NBA GMs will actually use it.

I don't think any GM in the league would use that chart. It's just too hard to equate point values to the NBA draft because it changes so much from year to year and the depth isn't like the NFL.

A NBA GM would more than likely look at their tiers on their board and decide if it's worth it.
 
I saw that chart but if you look at it moving from #3 to #5 like the Hawks did last year would only involve a #30 pick based on that chart. Someone can make a chart but that doesn't mean that NBA GMs will actually use it.

I don't think any GM in the league would use that chart. It's just too hard to equate point values to the NBA draft because it changes so much from year to year and the depth isn't like the NFL.

A NBA GM would more than likely look at their tiers on their board and decide if it's worth it.
But you said there wasn't a chart. I'm showing you that there is. Know it alls are the most boring people on the face of the earth. "Yeah I saw that chart but there's no chart."
 
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But you said there wasn't a chart. I'm showing you that there is. Don't go all Donald Trump on me with the back pedal by saying no GM would use it.


Please cool it with the Trump references. There's a political forum if you want to take political shots.
 
If you take Sexton's play after the Cavs added Brandon Knight, where as you noted, he became a 40% three-point shooter, I think he'd probably a top 2-3 player in this draft. Think about it, a guy who can create his own shot that is a smart shooter, hard worker, and excellent three-point shooter!

I was really hard on Sexton. I still do not believe he can ever become a positive defender nor does he have the vision to be a team's primary pick-and-roll facilitator. BUT, the kid is talented, and even if he only improves a bit more from here on, his shooting ability will make him a high-end rotation player for a decade. I also believe his scoring off drives will improve this year and then you get into high-end shooting guard territory.

His biggest problem will be his defense. It's why he was still a net negative during March and April. Even during that stretch, Sexton was still the worst defensive player in the NBA, and one of the worst defensive starters in NBA history. If he cannot fix his defense, he will not even max out as a net neutral player.

(Side note: this is why I am so concerned about drafting Garland. Sexton works hard on defense, but he just does not have the physical profile to succeed, and Garland is more or less the same. If the Cavs believe in Sexton, which I think they should, then drafting a wing like Hunter or Culver makes much more sense.)

If he becomes even below average on defense, my guess is that as long as he continues to shoot smart and maintains a 38-40% three-point percentage, Sexton ends up at the level of an Eric Bledsoe or CJ McCollum. Bledsoe is criminally underrated, but both players are traditionally +5 win shares players. That should be a multi-time all-star level player. HIs ceiling, though, is probably a +7-8 win shares player, which gets to second/third-best player on a title team level (Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson, etc.).

Why, if Chris Paul can be a good defender, can't Sexton. It's not like we are talking about IT the midget.
 
But you said there wasn't a chart. I'm showing you that there is. Don't go all Donald Trump on me with the back pedal by saying no GM would use it.

The thing is that NFL GMs widely used a chart. There is a specific chart that they use. It's not made by a reporter but it was made by a GM years ago and was then picked up by the rest of the league.

When I say that there isn't a chart in the NBA. I was saying that there isn't a chart NBA teams use. I don't care if Kevin Pelton makes a chart. Pelton is a reporter not a NBA GM or front office. You could make a chart and it would have just as much validity as the Pelton chart.

Edit: the NFL chart was made by Jimmy Johnson and the Cowboys front office.
 
No truth to this. Just silly season and Pels using our names as leverage to get more out of others that's really interested.
Yeah....John Givony is legit. Has a long track record of having his thumb on the pulse of the NBA come draft time. That's how he got a big paying gig at ESPN, gets retweeted by Woj, etc.

Not saying it will happen, the the Hawks are clearly at least considering trading 8 and 10 to move up. Which makes sense, because we have a pretty decent recent history of a mid-late lottery pick being the price to move up 3+ spots into the top 5.
 
He only made one comment.

@OldSkool please write a script to auto correct to Lying Con Man for any instances of Donald Trump.

For example: Don't go all Lying Con Man on me with the back pedal by saying no GM would use it.

And now you've made a second. See how that goes?

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Yeah....John Givony is legit. Has a long track record of having his thumb on the pulse of the NBA come draft time. That's how he got a big paying gig at ESPN, gets retweeted by Woj, etc.

Not saying it will happen, the the Hawks are clearly at least considering trading 8 and 10 to move up. Which makes sense, because we have a pretty decent recent history of a mid-late lottery pick being the price to move up 3+ spots into the top 5.
Maybe with the Cavs but not with the Hawks, all draft season last year he was JJJ or Bamba to the Hawks. Hawks final cut was Doncic and Trae with Doncic being the pick.

He might be right if R.J. is at #4. He is completely wrong otherwise. Maybe this is one of those, if at #4, Atlanta will be willing to trade up. For R.J. Barrett, yes. Not for no one else. This is a 3 player top tier draft. Everyone else needs luck. Atlanta isn't going to trade two top ten picks for clowns like Hunter and Culver, no offense but that's what they are to me in regards to the value at hand. Instant bust. They would need to play at Trae or Luka's level. For R.J., it's possible, for them, it's not and never will be.

4 for 8/10 for R.J. is a yes. If R.J. was at 5, it would be a yes.
 
The Cavs would get assets for Love, but would have to take bad another bad contract in any deal. Right now, I think there’s a discrepancy between what they think he’s worth and what other teams are offering. The contract, along with his inability to stay healthy, both play into that
Hawks like a number of guys, Little, Cam, Culver, Hunter, Hayes, Sekou, Clarke, etc. Same for every team in this draft.

It's all about value. If the Cavs value having two picks over one higher pick. That's their choice. In this type of draft, that's normal.

Love does make sense but the contract is horrible. We play a space based, PDS style based on tempo, actions, player and ball movement, playmaking and shooting. He is actually a center that makes sense for us. That contract on the other hand :bad:. What the hell were the Cleveland FO thinking? He still got four years left o_O 120+ million left o_O

No one will give you assets straight for Love. On the decline. 120 million owed. Good for only 60 games a season. Don't be Rocket fans. I still remember being on bbs and them saying they want cap space and 4th pick from the Lakers for CP3. :bigshock: In reality, if they could get Batum and maybe MKG, they did a heck of a job.

The Cavs nor most knowledgeable Cavs fans care about Love's contract. The owner doesn't either. It is only other teams' fans that look over Spotrac or something and thing egads $120 million owed.

Just saying there is no incentive whatsoever for the Cavs to trade Love unless it is a great deal for them. He is more valuable to them playing floor spacer and vet mentor to the young guys than moving around in different spots in the 1st round of a weak draft.
 
Maybe if we build a roster with defensive liabilities at every position, our opponents will become confused and not know which mismatch to exploit?

Or; we can put too much emphasis on defensive role players and the team isn't even watchable because the offense struggles while continuing to lose games.

This probably deserves its own thread but I wonder where the line is when building a team:
- draft and develop high end efficient scorers and concentrate on a good team defensive scheme with proper coaching and development
- emphasize and draft for one on one defensive ability while shortchanging high end offensive skill and live with offensive deficiencies
 
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Yeah....John Givony is legit. Has a long track record of having his thumb on the pulse of the NBA come draft time. That's how he got a big paying gig at ESPN, gets retweeted by Woj, etc.

Not saying it will happen, the the Hawks are clearly at least considering trading 8 and 10 to move up. Which makes sense, because we have a pretty decent recent history of a mid-late lottery pick being the price to move up 3+ spots into the top 5.
If they'll offer #8 and #10 for #4, it seems to me, they would offer #8 and #10 for #5 and #26 if their guy is still on the board at #5.

Thus, that #10 and #17 rumor can kiss my ass.
 

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