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NBA Finals | Game 1 | Cavs @ Warriors | May 31, 2018 | 9:00pm EST

RuanuLaw

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I learned my lesson on optimism last year. I vividly remember so many posters on here and on Reddit making claims such and such as to why the Warriors were very beatable in the same way that the Heatles were in their first year, and that the NBA would step in and create parity in order to not let the NBA get out of hand, etc....blah blah blah...none of those got even CLOSE to happening. And I expect the same thing this year.

It will be a sad sight in here after this first game and the other 3 games once reality sets in for most of you.

:(
Please excuse this self-quoting post (Posted before game 1)....but it needs to be pointed out again and again that the NBA is NOT going to help the Cavs in order to create parity. As we saw in 2015, last year, and last night, we are going to have to play 5 vs 8 out there if we want to win.

I don't even expect to get any favorable calls in Game 2 as some expect in order for the NBA to "make up for game 1." They will be against that because it signals guilt to messing up in Game 1.

The most I expect is no suspensions for TT and Love.
 

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I listened to a comment from Lebron and he said the communication to the bench was whether he was in the restricted area.
REALLY????
He wasn't, so the call should never have been reversed as been said by many people.

yup...should have never been reviewed

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It may have well been a block but the fact they can change it is absurd. They can look at the restricted area all they want for replay that's fine they can miss that on the court but it is a judgement call block or charge once that judgement has been made it's absurd to allow that to be changed. They can't review goal tending calls or certain out of bounds calls that are clear but they can change judgement calls is so absurd.

I am pissed beyond belief it was bad enough all the other crappy 4th quarter calls but to change that one may have very well cost us not only the game, not only the series but possibly LeBron James.

Been hard to get through the last 2 days I have re-watched the game several times still can't get over it. No matter how this series turns out unless we win it we will never know the true impact of this game even if we lose in 4, 5, 6 or especially a game 7.
 

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It may have well been a block but the fact they can change it is absurd. They can look at the restricted area all they want for replay that's fine they can miss that on the court but it is a judgement call block or charge once that judgement has been made it's absurd to allow that to be changed. They can't review goal tending calls or certain out of bounds calls that are clear but they can change judgement calls is so absurd.

I am pissed beyond belief it was bad enough all the other crappy 4th quarter calls but to change that one may have very well cost us not only the game, not only the series but possibly LeBron James.

Been hard to get through the last 2 days I have re-watched the game several times still can't get over it. No matter how this series turns out unless we win it we will never know the true impact of this game even if we lose in 4, 5, 6 or especially a game 7.

It is a weird, relatively new rule (2015) that I didn't even know existed until it happened. I agree that it is a very weird rule in that it is basically the only situation that is reviewable and reversible on a judgement call foul.

I think the refs did what they were supposed to do in that situation, as the rule reads. But I do also think the league needs to look at the rule and fix it so it is not this weird glaring exception to the other rules. Like the NFL fixing the "catch" rules. This situation seems a lot like the dez bryant catch thing. It was the rule that was broken in both cases, not the officials making mistakes (imho), but that it took a high-profile, important moment where the rule was applied, to highlight the flaws in the rule.

Personally, I think in the last 2 minutes of any playoff game where the score difference is less than 10 or so, -all- critical fouls should be replay-reviewable. I know the league is worried about slowing down games - but honestly, the last 2 minutes of a close playoff game is important enough to allow the refs to review anything they feel they should review. That way there wouldnt be outrage over this one particular rule being so weirdly different.

And knowing that a foul call -could- be reversed could lessen the shock of a reversal, knowing that officials were able to get a good look from multiple angles.
 

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Except they should not have been allowed to review because the only trigger to allow review is if LeBron was close to the arc and he wasn't. That is why what they did was so wrong. You can't review it if he was outside the arc and he CLEARLY was by 2 feet.

Also has anyone brought this up ? I been thinking about this since Smith decided to do his bonehead move.

Why was JR in the line and not LeBron ? If that is LeBron getting that rebound he goes right back up and maybe gets fouled or maybe scores. Why wouldn't you want your best rebounders on the line in that game winning situation ? If they assumed Hill would make the FT then that is dumb you never assume.

GS was going to call a timeout make or miss so if there thought was to make sure LeBron was back on D that was wrong too since clearly GS was calling a TO with just 4.7 left make or miss.

If LeBron was going to charge in from the 3 point line on the rebound I could live with that but he didn't.

So that was a mistake a big mistake putting JR in place of LeBron in the lane with the game on the line.
 

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Except they should not have been allowed to review because the only trigger to allow review is if LeBron was close to the arc and he wasn't. That is why what they did was so wrong. You can't review it if he was outside the arc and he CLEARLY was by 2 feet.
Well, it was more like 1 foot outside of the circle at the precise moment of impact. Microseconds later, Lebron was fully in the circle on his back. Watching the play in real time and not having the luxury of the specific stopped frame of video, it would be extremely hard to say if he was in our out of the circle, imho. We all know he was outside of the circle, because we, ourselves, reviewed the call in slow motion/stopped frame. The refs needed that same video that we saw. I may get slammed for this, but I think it was normal for the refs to review the play, especially since there was a rule (however stupid or flawed) that was explicitly for this exact scenario at this point of a game. I would suggest that anyone watching the game in real time wouldn't have been able to say with certainty if he was outside of the circle until the replay was shown. The announcers didn't. But I could be wrong and some people do have photographic memory (like Lebron, interestingly enough) who would be able to say for sure. But honestly, why should the refs even take the chance of getting the call wrong there, if they are allowed to review?
 

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The rule is stupid. It makes everything a judgement call. Judgement on if they should review it or not and that allows them to change the call but only in the last 2 minutes as if it was at 2:01 that been not turnover able. Pretty dumb. Reminds me of how Kentucky got screwed in the 2015 Final Four vs Wisconsin. Wisconsin had a clear shot clock violation but since the clock was at like 2:37 instead of under 2 minutes they were not allowed to review it and it cost Kentucky a shot at an undefeated season. NCAA changed the rule the next year to allow shot clock violations to be reviewed at any time.

NBA for whatever reason put this rule in. Let them check on the arc that makes sense but not reverse the call. I can't believe it's a rule.

Still it should been LeBron getting the missed FT and putting it back up. No clue why JR was on line not him. Made zero sense knowing GS was going to call a TO.
 

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Well, it was more like 1 foot outside of the circle at the precise moment of impact. Microseconds later, Lebron was fully in the circle on his back. Watching the play in real time and not having the luxury of the specific stopped frame of video, it would be extremely hard to say if he was in our out of the circle, imho. We all know he was outside of the circle, because we, ourselves, reviewed the call in slow motion/stopped frame. The refs needed that same video that we saw. I may get slammed for this, but I think it was normal for the refs to review the play, especially since there was a rule (however stupid or flawed) that was explicitly for this exact scenario at this point of a game. I would suggest that anyone watching the game in real time wouldn't have been able to say with certainty if he was outside of the circle until the replay was shown. The announcers didn't. But I could be wrong and some people do have photographic memory (like Lebron, interestingly enough) who would be able to say for sure. But honestly, why should the refs even take the chance of getting the call wrong there, if they are allowed to review?
He was closer to the dotted line than the restricted area. I've seen refs get the call right when people were inches away from the restricted area. During that crucial time of game the refs should have been sharp and prepared especially since it was obvious what may transpire once KD made his move.
 

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No one seems to care why JR was on the line instead of LeBron ? I found that to be a strange decision in that situation where you no GS is calling timeout so you don't have to worry about them pushing the ball up the court. You want your best rebounder on the line in that situation. It probably cost the Cavs the game have to think LeBron clearly gets that rebound as well and goes up for the shot and scores or gets fouled a good % of the time.
 

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No one seems to care why JR was on the line instead of LeBron ? I found that to be a strange decision in that situation where you no GS is calling timeout so you don't have to worry about them pushing the ball up the court. You want your best rebounder on the line in that situation. It probably cost the Cavs the game have to think LeBron clearly gets that rebound as well and goes up for the shot and scores or gets fouled a good % of the time.

Maybe it was because Lebron's hand was broken, and they though JR had a better chance of rebounding.
 

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Nope, LeBron broke his hand after Game 1
Yes. It takes 6-8 weeks to heal an injury like that.

Remember when he lost his balance and had to put his hand on the floor, and acted like he was seriously in pain, and no one at the the time knew why?
 

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It is a weird, relatively new rule (2015) that I didn't even know existed until it happened. I agree that it is a very weird rule in that it is basically the only situation that is reviewable and reversible on a judgement call foul.

I think the refs did what they were supposed to do in that situation, as the rule reads. But I do also think the league needs to look at the rule and fix it so it is not this weird glaring exception to the other rules. Like the NFL fixing the "catch" rules. This situation seems a lot like the dez bryant catch thing. It was the rule that was broken in both cases, not the officials making mistakes (imho), but that it took a high-profile, important moment where the rule was applied, to highlight the flaws in the rule.

Personally, I think in the last 2 minutes of any playoff game where the score difference is less than 10 or so, -all- critical fouls should be replay-reviewable. I know the league is worried about slowing down games - but honestly, the last 2 minutes of a close playoff game is important enough to allow the refs to review anything they feel they should review. That way there wouldnt be outrage over this one particular rule being so weirdly different.

And knowing that a foul call -could- be reversed could lessen the shock of a reversal, knowing that officials were able to get a good look from multiple angles.
Lol @ your avatar being Visual Studio.. :chuckle:
 

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