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The talent on this team was better than 0-16. Don't act like these players were holding Hue Jackson back. You watched this guy in over his head coaching and publicly destroy his FO and his players all year. Literally took no blame for anything.

Answer this. If any of the 31 other NFL Head Coaches were coaching The Browns this year would we have still been 0-16?

3 or 4 wins barring the Browns not fucking things up.

That's it.
 
The talent on this team was better than 0-16. Don't act like these players were holding Hue Jackson back. You watched this guy in over his head coaching and publicly destroy his FO and his players all year. Literally took no blame for anything.

Answer this. If any of the 31 other NFL Head Coaches were coaching The Browns this year would we have still been 0-16?
Yeah, this team had the talent of a 3-13 team and Hue underachieved them to 0-16. Who cares? The players fucking sucked regardless.
 
3 or 4 wins barring the Browns not fucking things up.

That's it.

That's the point though. The point is they should not have been 0-16. A halfway decent and respectable coach wins them 3-4 games. If we win 3-4 games and we're in the same draft and cap situation we're in now then things look a lot different don't they?

Didn't JAX just go from picking in the top 5 to the AFC Championship game with Blake Bortles? Are we gonna act like if we had won 3-4 games that we couldn't do the same?

Did we not just watch Nick Foles win a god damn Super Bowl MVP? Did Philly not lose their MVP caliber QB and their HOF LT and still win the Super Bowl with their backup QB beating the best Dynasty in the league? We all saw that right? We all saw Case fucking Keenum almost lead his team to the Super Bowl right? As well as Blake Bortles. JAX literally said fuck the QB we're gonna build a monster defense and a stout running game. Well to do that they needed a lot of cap which we have and some high draft picks which we also have. I'd argue that we also have a more talented O-Line than them. So yea if we would've won 3-4 games like the consensus w=around the league was before the season it would absolutely be realistic to expect us to make a leap next year after putting together one of the most talented FO's in the league and getting one of the leagues best play callers (Haley)


This isn't me drinking the fucking Kool-Aid. These are facts. Just like nobody predicted NYG would be as bad as they were this year or that LAR would be as good. We should b focusing more on how far away we are from our competition than constantly kicking ourselves in here shit. I mean if we're keeping it 100 Doug Pederson was the difference in this Super Bowl. He's been the difference all season. He was the real MVP of this NFL season. Coaching. Fucking coaching makes a huge difference and it's so aggravating that we have the literal worst coach in NFL history and people can't wait to jump on folks who say "Hey our players aren't actually that bad"
 
Yeah, this team had the talent of a 3-13 team and Hue underachieved them to 0-16. Who cares? The players fucking sucked regardless.

Why did JAX go from 3-13 to 1 game away from The Super Bowl? Was it because their players sucked and won 3 games the year before?
 
The Eagles as an organization have been good since I've been a fan of football (I count that as being 1999 onwards)

Prior to this run?

-They were an NFC Champion in 2004
-They have won SEVEN NFC East titles
-They have 10 playoff appearances.
-Andy Reid won COY
-Donovan McNabb became a franchise QB for them (and went to 6 Pro Bowls in the process)
-Their "worst" mistake, hiring Chip Kelly? Even got them to a division title and a playoff appearance during his tenure.

You cannot compare us to them. They draft well consistently on a daily basis. Hit on players, and have some semblance of a team culture.

The Browns have none of that. They've hit on a few players here and there.

We're not even in the goddamn Bengals league. We have nothing.
 
Why did JAX go from 3-13 to 1 game away from The Super Bowl? Was it because their players sucked and won 3 games the year before?
Because they added significant talent to that 3 win team.
 
Carson Wentz is in an interesting situation moving forward.

He has to win the Super Bowl now or he's a failure. Those are lofty standards, but hey, his backup did it against the mighty Patriots dynasty.
 
Because they added significant talent to that 3 win team.

A big portion was their young talent on defense taking massive steps.

I see similar shades with our defense. We are a young top corner from seeing massive strides defensively. With two top five picks, this is why we are all drooling over Minkah.
 
Because they added significant talent to that 3 win team.

Exactly

And we are in position to add even more significant talent than they were and we don't need to add as many pieces as they did. We have a better O-Lin than they did. We have more talent on our D-Line than they did before they added Calais Campbell and Malik Jackson. Their secondary was basically Jalen Ramsey who they drafted the year prior and Tayshaun Gipson (lol) They added Church and Bouye in FA.

I get it though. It's easy to just point at the win totals and lol and make all the woe is me jokes but there was a point where JAX looked like the best team in the AFC this year. You can argue that if they had Nick fucking Foles instead of Blake fucking Bortles that they would've been in the Super Bowl.

Point is this. Yes we went 0-16 but our record shouldn't make it harder to drastically improve. JAX proved that and yet here we are with a better FO, better draft compensation, and more cap. Are you saying that we can't add significant talent? Even after our new GM has already stated to anyone who will ask him that he's going to spend money and add talent to this team? Even after he's assembled one of the best FO's in the league? Wouldn't you agree that everything we've done this offseason has shown that we plan on adding significant talent to this team?

The only thing that I'm concerned about is Hue Jackson. I'm not concerned about the players. They play hard. We have some talented guys. I'm not concerned about Dorsey or his guys finding talent. Everyone he's hired has a proven track record of doing that. I'm not worried about Todd Haley and to an extent I'm not worried about Greg Williams (I know). I'm really only worried about Hue Jackson.
 
A big portion was their young talent on defense taking massive steps.

I see similar shades with our defense. We are a young top corner from seeing massive strides defensively. With two top five picks, this is why we are all drooling over Minkah.

It's not unreasonable to say in 2019 we'll go 7-9/8-8/9-7

But this is going to take a while to dig out from and grow. It also requires us to be GOOD at drafting players and not trading down this year.

You cannot do the Justin Gilbert/Johnny Manziel type drafts. THAT more than anything is the reason why we're at the position we're in.

We have to hit on guys and hit on them well.
 
The Eagles as an organization have been good since I've been a fan of football (I count that as being 1999 onwards)

Prior to this run?

-They were an NFC Champion in 2004
-They have won SEVEN NFC East titles
-They have 10 playoff appearances.
-Andy Reid won COY
-Donovan McNabb became a franchise QB for them (and went to 6 Pro Bowls in the process)
-Their "worst" mistake, hiring Chip Kelly? Even got them to a division title and a playoff appearance during his tenure.

You cannot compare us to them. They draft well consistently on a daily basis. Hit on players, and have some semblance of a team culture.

The Browns have none of that. They've hit on a few players here and there.

We're not even in the goddamn Bengals league. We have nothing.

That's funny because all people talk about around here is QB QB QB but 3 of the final 4 QB's left this year were Blake Bortles, Case Keenum, and Nick Foles. So which is it now? Is everything still all about then QB or are people finally ready to admit that coaching and team building is just as if not more important.

I don't even want to argue. NFL fans suffer from the worst groupthink of any major sport even when the league constantly proves to popular opinion wrong every single year.

Need a stud QB to win. No you don't.

The RB position is dead. No it isn't.

You can't run college stuff in then NFL. Yes you can.

You have to get a QB first or else you won't win. Not true.

A lot of the things that people constantly bring up as must do's in the NFL aren't. It's not about comparing Philly's situation to ours. It's about acknowledging that the NFL is changing. All of the stalemates at QB in then league are old as shit. There's a new wave coming. Offenses are changing. Defenses are changing. This isn't you dad's NFL anymore. Maybe people need to start having a more forward thinking approach and not look at everything in the NFL as the same old tradition.
 
It's not unreasonable to say in 2019 we'll go 7-9/8-8/9-7

But this is going to take a while to dig out from and grow. It also requires us to be GOOD at drafting players and not trading down this year.

You cannot do the Justin Gilbert/Johnny Manziel type drafts. THAT more than anything is the reason why we're at the position we're in.

We have to hit on guys and hit on them well.

But why does it have to take a while to dig out from? This is what I'm talking about. Stop staring at the record and look at the avenues that we have to get better. It's no different than if you have a team that has a really good record but they are in cap hell and no favorable draft picks. Of you looked at their record and ours you would expect them to get better right? Like the NYG before this season. there was a lot of people picking them to go to the Super Bowl. They were the 2nd worst team in then league this year. Why? It wasn't just because of OBJ being out. he wasn't the difference in season. There was a ton of teams that lost their best player this year who ended up better than them so why were they the 2nd worst team in the league this year? Because Brandon Marshall got hurt? lol. Nope. They were bad because they were never that good to begin with. Their coaching was a disaster. their locker room was a disaster. T

his happens every year in then NFL. It never fails. People look at a teams success in the prior season and without any real improvements folks just expect them to be better. Juts like OAK. What did they do to improve their team this year? Nothing. They added Marshawn Lynch who was retired and people thought they were going to The Super Bowl.

Start looking at then teams around us and how they will improve vs how we will improve. W know for a fact the The Browns are gonna add two QB's this offseason. A veteran who will start according to Dorsey and a high draft pick also according to Dorsey. We know that we will spend money to add talent according to Dorsey.

What is PIT gonna do? They have what 1-2 more years of Ben and then what. they lost Todd Hayley. The lost Shazier (though he still could return but they need to replace him until then). Le'Veon Bell wants to come back but at his price and not theirs. The need to fix that secondary.

CIN? They have an unfortunate QB controversy lol. Any Dalton or AJ McCarron lol. Yuck. Marvis Lewis is back to kick the can. They are still one of the most dysfunctional teams. Not worried about them at all.

BAL. They are stuck with Joe Flacco. Sucks for them. They have no real receiving threats. All of their TE's get hurt. Their defense is good but old as fuck. Eric Weddle is retiring. John Harbaugh has one foot out the door and to top it off Ozzie is leaving after next season. They are actually trending the other direction.

Now when you look at the teams in our division (which matter most) and you look at us it's abundantly clear that we are going to make more improvements than any of them. That doesn't mean that we will be better than them but it also shouldn't mean that they are just gonna stay better than us. IMO that shows me that it doesn't necessarily have to be a long digging out process to be on par in our division. In fact John Dorsey said that his goal next season is to win the AFC North. Your new GM doesn't say shit like that unless he plans to aggressively and drastically improve the team.
 
Anyone else notice those god awful PS2 level graphics of some of the players?
 
That's the point though. The point is they should not have been 0-16. A halfway decent and respectable coach wins them 3-4 games. If we win 3-4 games and we're in the same draft and cap situation we're in now then things look a lot different don't they?

No.
 

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