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This is not something we hear every year. In fact, last year was regarded as a good QB class. So was the Goff/Wentz draft.

Also, not every draft has a great QB. 2013 immediately comes to mind.

If this was the Giants' plan, it was a shitty one.

During the Goff/Wentz draft, Goff was a good prospect but by no means a surefire franchise QB and Wentz was almost a completely unknown. We passed on him at two and basically no one here was pissed about it, which should tell you about the consensus as to him as a prospect.

And yes, not every draft has a great QB, but most of them have at least one or two good ones.

I agree it's a dumb plan by the Giants (should have taken Rosen or Darnold, clearly), but I wouldn't be at all surprised if there end up being two or three quality QBs in this draft.
 
He has a chance to be the first player since Marshall Faulk to rush for 1,000 and receive for 1,000..

As a rookie....

This post is a yikes from you
Why can’t I hold all this volume

Barkley is also on pace for 142 targets

Barely clearing 1000 rushing yards (on pace for 1,038) and barely clearing 1,000 receiving yards (on pace for 994) while being getting right around 9 targets a game for a team that is one of the worst offenses in the league isn’t super impressive when he’s probably getting targeted more than any starting RB since Faulk

Am I supposed to be impressed that old man Eli is so done that he targets Barkley 16 times in a game they score 13 points in?
 
Dude literally everyone shit on him as a prospect and said Sony Michel and other backs were better as a prospect.

Nope.

Though I absolutely questioned who was RB1

Michel has been money, by the way. More efficient as a runner.
 
Kellen Winslow Jr... I thought he'd revolutionize the TE position and be a first ballot HOFer. Turns out we should have taken the big kid from Miami (OH).

Matt Leinart was so successful in college, so polished and looked the part. I thought he was gonna be Steve Young 2.0

Duped by plenty of others mentioned... Richardson, Manziel, Quinn.

Man this thread is bumming me out a little.
 
Nope.

Though I absolutely questioned who was RB1

Michel has been money, by the way. More efficient as a runner.

Just curious what your metric is that determines Michel has been more efficient, because from what I'm looking at...

Yards per touch: Barkley at 6.0, Michel at 4.6

Evaded tackles: 59 (ranked #1) to 23 (#24)

Juke rate: 34.9% (#7) to 23.2% (#29)

Breakaway run rate: 6.3% (#15) to 3.2% (#38)

Yards created beyond what was blocked: 40.3 per game (#1) to 29.2 per game (#16)

Yards created per carry: 1.91 (#8) to 1.77 (#11)

Catch rate: 81.7% (#6) to 50.0% (NR)

Drop rate: 2.8% (#1) to 25% (NR)

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Pretty much the only metric I've found where Michel is higher-ranked than Barkley is in true yards per carry (which discounts runs over ten yards), and even then it's a difference of .4 yards between the two (3.9 to 4.3) of them and you can probably credit that to the fact that Barkley's team has a dog shit offensive line and Michel's does not.

To that end:

Average defenders in the box: Barkley at 7.2 (#8), Michel at 7.0 (#18)

Stacked front carry rate: Barkley at 33.3% (#10), Michel at 22.1% (#26)

Barkley averages 3.5 YPC against a stacked front to Michel's 2.1 as well.

Not to mention that Barkley has two less goal line carries than Michel but three more total touchdowns.

Just curious as to how exactly Michel has been more efficient. Seems like Barkley has been the far better and more efficient player this year, especially when you account for the fact that he's on a team that's constantly in a negative game script and he's running against a stacked front on one out of three carries.
 
Nope.

Though I absolutely questioned who was RB1

Michel has been money, by the way. More efficient as a runner.

Michel was my guy, and the reason you don't spend a top 4 pick on Barkley when you can have an equally good back in the last 1st early 2nd depending on where Michel dropped.
 
Michel was my guy, and the reason you don't spend a top 4 pick on Barkley when you can have an equally good back in the last 1st early 2nd depending on where Michel dropped.

Yeah, and you could get Chubb and Guice in the second too. I know Guice tore his ACL and hasn't played, but I think he was pretty easily the second-best prospect in this draft class.

I had them ranked Barkley > Guice > Chubb/Michel (had them more or less equal, although given Michel's knee issues Chubb was probably safer).
 
Just curious what your metric is that determines Michel has been more efficient, because from what I'm looking at...

Yards per touch: Barkley at 6.0, Michel at 4.6

Evaded tackles: 59 (ranked #1) to 23 (#24)

Juke rate: 34.9% (#7) to 23.2% (#29)

Breakaway run rate: 6.3% (#15) to 3.2% (#38)

Yards created beyond what was blocked: 40.3 per game (#1) to 29.2 per game (#16)

Yards created per carry: 1.91 (#8) to 1.77 (#11)

Catch rate: 81.7% (#6) to 50.0% (NR)

Drop rate: 2.8% (#1) to 25% (NR)

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Pretty much the only metric I've found where Michel is higher-ranked than Barkley is in true yards per carry (which discounts runs over ten yards), and even then it's a difference of .4 yards between the two (3.9 to 4.3) of them and you can probably credit that to the fact that Barkley's team has a dog shit offensive line and Michel's does not.

To that end:

Average defenders in the box: Barkley at 7.2 (#8), Michel at 7.0 (#18)

Stacked front carry rate: Barkley at 33.3% (#10), Michel at 22.1% (#26)

Barkley averages 3.5 YPC against a stacked front to Michel's 2.1 as well.

Not to mention that Barkley has two less goal line carries than Michel but three more total touchdowns.

Just curious as to how exactly Michel has been more efficient. Seems like Barkley has been the far better and more efficient player this year, especially when you account for the fact that he's on a team that's constantly in a negative game script and he's running against a stacked front on one out of three carries.

I was speaking specifically as a runner and speaking specifically to negative runs.

But those stats are great. Interesting stuff.
 
I was speaking specifically as a runner and speaking specifically to negative runs.

But those stats are great. Interesting stuff.

Really helps show just how good Barkley has been despite having a godawful O-line and facing stacked boxes and negative game scripts constantly.
 
Really helps show just how good Barkley has been despite having a godawful O-line and facing stacked boxes and negative game scripts constantly.

He’ll be just fine, but as was said before the draft he’s a big play guy that isn’t really that efficient beyond the chunk plays he brings.

If I were drafting a guy that early, I’d be a little uneasy of a guy whose going to lead the league in negative yards.
 
He’ll be just fine, but as was said before the draft he’s a big play guy that isn’t really that efficient beyond the chunk plays he brings.

If I were drafting a guy that early, I’d be a little uneasy of a guy whose going to lead the league in negative yards.

I disagree that he can't be a between the tackles guy. Given his juke rate, the ability to break tackles, and his general shiftiness, I think he'll be fine. I've seen some incredibly impressive runs from him between the tackles this year where he's created something from absolutely nothing. There was one run where I think he broke six or seven tackles just to get ten yards.

There's just only so much he can do when he's constantly getting hit behind the line of scrimmage.
 
I disagree that he can't be a between the tackles guy. Given his juke rate, the ability to break tackles, and his general shiftiness, I think he'll be fine. I've seen some incredibly impressive runs from him between the tackles this year where he's created something from absolutely nothing. There was one run where I think he broke six or seven tackles just to get ten yards.

There's just only so much he can do when he's constantly getting hit behind the line of scrimmage.

I don’t think he “can’t be” that guy.

Just that he isn’t that guy yet, and has a penchant for sort of turning possible positive plays in to negative ones.

And yeah, I’ve definitely seen improvement, for what it’s worth. I know there’s even more improvement there.

Just didn’t think it makes sense to take that risk at 1/4.
 
I don’t think he “can’t be” that guy.

Just that he isn’t that guy yet, and has a penchant for sort of turning possible positive plays in to negative ones.

And yeah, I’ve definitely seen improvement, for what it’s worth. I know there’s even more improvement there.

Just didn’t think it makes sense to take that risk at 1/4.

I could maybe see it at four after we'd already taken Mayfield, but it made little sense for the Giants to take him at two with Eli being completely washed the past two or three years.
 
I could maybe see it at four after we'd already taken Mayfield, but it made little sense for the Giants to take him at two with Eli being completely washed the past two or three years.

They REALLY need to be right on whoever they take this year.

Franchise make or break class for them.
 
I can’t name 5 guys from the 2018 draft I’d rather have on my team than Saquan Barkley.

Not too 5 worthy? Laughable.
 

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