Odell Beckham Jr.,: Seatbelts Ruin Lives

[Selby]

Might be a little buzzed…but fuck it. Some posters say more ridiculous things than I’m about to say.

Odell is washed. He is more a name than a productive receiver at this point. He can still make plays, sure, but he is not the guy we thought we traded for.

 

[MirORich]

Look, I was as excited as anyone when we traded for OBJ. I have no reason to wish for him to fail. In my unprofessional opinion the offense executes much worse with him on the field. Maybe the advanced stats show he’s open 98% of the time, but all I have seen is the guy kill many drives and for some reason our potential franchise QB gets the yips when he’s out there. This team has the talent to compete for a Super Bowl this year, so I don’t want to wait til the offseason. I don’t know why he doesn’t work on this team, but he just doesn’t. If his name wasn’t OBJ there would be no one calling for him to stay in the lineup.

What is your football background and knowledge to back up this statement? Are you able to break down All-22 film and see the impact and gravity he commands from defenses and the way that has real impacts on running lanes or underneath routes from the RB's and TE's

My point is not that he should be here NEXT year at 15 million.

But you are making a pretty bold claim that simply his presence on the team makes us worse and that we would be better positioned to complete THIS season by trading him for a future draft pick.

And there is no factual proof based evidence to say that OBJ gives Baker the yips, especially this season. That's just emotional surface level fan opinion.

 

[winner0274]

What is your football background and knowledge to back up this statement? Are you able to break down All-22 film and see the impact and gravity he commands from defenses and the way that has real impacts on running lanes or underneath routes from the RB's and TE's

My point is not that he should be here NEXT year at 15 million.

But you are making a pretty bold claim that simply his presence on the team makes us worse and that we would be better positioned to complete THIS season by trading him for a future draft pick.

And there is no factual proof based evidence to say that OBJ gives Baker the yips, especially this season. That's just emotional surface level fan opinion.

I have no football background besides watching every week my whole life. I don’t study the all 22. I can see when something is so obvious it jumps off the screen. I can tell when Baker has the yips and when he is playing confidently. Maybe it has just been coincidental that he has never played confidently with OBJ on the field. I can only go by what I see with my own eyes.

 

[Chris]

Might be a little buzzed…but fuck it. Some posters say more ridiculous things than I’m about to say.

Odell is washed. He is more a name than a productive receiver at this point. He can still make plays, sure, but he is not the guy we thought we traded for.

I love how you say this like it’s some buzzed hot take you’ll get ripped for when honestly, this opinion can’t even be reasonably disputed anymore.

 

[MirORich]

I have no football background besides watching every week my whole life. I don’t study the all 22. I can see when something is so obvious it jumps off the screen. I can tell when Baker has the yips and when he is playing confidently. Maybe it has just been coincidental that he has never played confidently with OBJ on the field. I can only go by what I see with my own eyes.

I'm not trying to be a dick
And I don't have football expertise either.

Has the OBJ era been what I expected? No. Overall, for a variety of reasons, it has been disappointing

All I am saying is unless they lose 4-5 in a row and believe they are out of the playoff race, I do not believe there is ANY benefit to trading him during the season for a future pick.

I am totally fine with them moving on from his contract in the offseason and that is the most likely course of action, barring some sort of explosive second half of the season that resembles his first 4-5 years in the league.

 

[Kbiz]

OBJ is washed - sorry for all you NYG fans.

Landry though, he makes catches.

 

[Selby]

I love how you say this like it’s some buzzed hot take you’ll get ripped for when honestly, this opinion can’t even be reasonably disputed anymore.

If you’re implying I am smarter when I’m buzzed…I can accept that. I’ll just have to get buzzed more often.

edit: my opinion would be disputed by some on these boards. But no one takes those certain folks seriously at this point.

 

[Lee]

What is your football background and knowledge to back up this statement? Are you able to break down All-22 film and see the impact and gravity he commands from defenses and the way that has real impacts on running lanes or underneath routes from the RB's and TE's

My point is not that he should be here NEXT year at 15 million.

But you are making a pretty bold claim that simply his presence on the team makes us worse and that we would be better positioned to complete THIS season by trading him for a future draft pick.

And there is no factual proof based evidence to say that OBJ gives Baker the yips, especially this season. That's just emotional surface level fan opinion.

OBJ is not worth 15 million, we will need to allocate that money elsewhere.

To me if nothing else, this season proves how valuable Landry is, even today he was a difference maker for Keenan.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

And he apparently makes our fanbase make dumb posts too. How does he affect Baker and the fans so much like that?

There is NOTHING to gain but cutting him or trading him for a 5th or 6th rounder during the season.

PLENTY of good NFL WR's make drops.

He pushed through an injury(which is even more important when DPJ got ruled out tweaking his groin in warmups), played, was wide open on some routes that Keenum just couldn't get get to him, and made a catch to convert a third down.

Now, should he be here next year at his current salary number? Based on what we've seen so far, probably not. But finally it is this offseason that they can release him with zero dead cap hit.

The gain is getting a guy off the field who clearly isn’t an nfl caliber WR

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

If his name wasn’t OBJ there would be no one calling for him to stay in the lineup.

This is such a great point that I doubt anyone can honestly disagree with

Odell’s play as a BROWN has done nothing to earn him a roster spot

 

[MirORich]

OBJ is not worth 15 million, we will need to allocate that money elsewhere.

To me if nothing else, this season proves how valuable Landry is, even today he was a difference maker for Keenan.

We can’t reallocate a single dime of it this 2021 season.

In just about every post I’ve made in this thread I was clear that support cutting it trading him in the offseason when zero of his 15M contract is guaranteed

 

[adam81king]

OBJ is washed - sorry for all you NYG fans.

Landry though, he makes catches.

Landry has more drops than Odell every year they've been in Cleveland, according to www.Football-Reference.com ...

 

[shoes22]

Landry has more drops than Odell every year they've been in Cleveland, according to www.Football-Reference.com ...

Don’t be disingenuous and use raw counting stats. Landry has WAY more targets and catches, too.

 

[shoes22]

This is such a great point that I doubt anyone can honestly disagree with

Odell’s play as a BROWN has done nothing to earn him a roster spot

That’s true...if you swapped the name and numbers on the jersey and it was Anthony Schwartz who had the production that Odell has had in Cleveland, he’d be fighting for a roster spot.

 

[Mr. Orange]

I wish I had access to all the practices and coaches meetings like some of you. Not an NFL WR…probably one of the worst takes ever in RCF.

Odell has been disappointing and the injuries have sadly affected him. However, he was also wide open for a TD AGAIN last night after beating his man on a double move but the QB couldn’t get him the ball. That was 6 points off the board. You should be screaming in the Keenum thread over that. He also got us our biggest chunk on our much needed 2nd half TD drive. And he did that gutting through a shoulder injury when he had to lay out for a catch (great effort but unfortunate drop).

I can guarantee you that no one is more upset with his drops than OBJ. But he keeps getting open, we just can’t get him the ball.

We need him to make an impact from here if we want to make the playoffs. If he isn’t traded he needs our full support. I don’t care what we pay him this year, it’s a sunk cost and it’s Jimmy Haslam stolen money which he bilked a bunch of working class truck drivers out of. I would rather it goes to anyone but Jimmy and Dee.