Odell Beckham Jr.,: Seatbelts Ruin Lives

[adam81king]

Don’t be disingenuous and use raw counting stats. Landry has WAY more targets and catches, too.

Ok...drop *percentage* is higher for Jarvis, too...

 

[Douglar]

The gain is getting a guy off the field who clearly isn’t an nfl caliber WR

Would you rather see Davion Davis out there? Really?

I think OBJ is struggling, and watching him yell at himself during the games makes it clear that he knows he's struggling, but he's not sulking, he's blocking, he want to compete and is trying to be a good team mate. Could we replace his production with a guy that earns $5Mil a year? Maybe. Could it happen? No. OBJ's contract isn't movable.

He's here. He's paid for. It's not going to change. Let's see if he can return to form.

 

[Los216]

Would you rather see Davion Davis out there? Really?

I think OBJ is struggling, and watching him yell at himself during the games makes it clear that he knows he's struggling, but he's not sulking, he's blocking, he want to compete and is trying to be a good team mate. Could we replace his production with a guy that earns $5Mil a year? Maybe. Could it happen? No. OBJ's contract isn't movable.

He's here. He's paid for. It's not going to change. Let's see if he can return to form.

Higgins has been here for years and has been through 3 coaches and none of them have elevated him. The funny thing about people saying OBJ is useless is the guys playing behind him have not passed him up.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Higgins has been here for years and has been through 3 coaches and none of them have elevated him. The funny thing about people saying OBJ is useless is the guys playing behind him have not passed him up.

DPJ has clearly passed him, IMO

 

[Los216]

DPJ has clearly passed him, IMO

How? Odell is still ahead of him on the depth chart, catches, and targets.

 

[Chris]

Ok...drop *percentage* is higher for Jarvis, too...

Please stop.

Nobody would care if Odell had a few drops if, y’know, he made numerous other great plays the way Landry does. One is an impact player, one is not. Simple.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

There is no direct cause/correlation proof that we are somehow better without him.

I'd agree there isn't any direct proof of causation - which would be close to impossible anyway - but there is certainly some statistical correlation that Baker plays better without him.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Would you rather see Davion Davis out there? Really?

I think OBJ is struggling, and watching him yell at himself during the games makes it clear that he knows he's struggling, but he's not sulking, he's blocking, he want to compete and is trying to be a good team mate. Could we replace his production with a guy that earns $5Mil a year? Maybe. Could it happen? No. OBJ's contract isn't movable.

He's here. He's paid for. It's not going to change. Let's see if he can return to form.

That’s fair. My main point is that he shouldn’t be getting snaps ahead of Higgins, Landry, or DPJ. Beckham is where he is on the depth chart because of his name imo. He shouldn’t be taking snaps from DPJ who actually looks very promising

he’s just not a good WR at this point. People look for every reason under the sun to excuse his mediocrity, but the truth is he’s just 100% washed. I am really looking forward to whatever team he is on next year because it’s going to be the same thing. Odell is the problem. It doesn’t mean Baker is elite, but Odell doesn’t have it

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

How? Odell is still ahead of him on the depth chart, catches, and targets.

That’s the problem. That isn’t deserved based on both of their play

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I wish I had access to all the practices and coaches meetings like some of you. Not an NFL WR…probably one of the worst takes ever in RCF.

Odell has been disappointing and the injuries have sadly affected him. However, he was also wide open for a TD AGAIN last night after beating his man on a double move but the QB couldn’t get him the ball. That was 6 points off the board. You should be screaming in the Keenum thread over that. He also got us our biggest chunk on our much needed 2nd half TD drive. And he did that gutting through a shoulder injury when he had to lay out for a catch (great effort but unfortunate drop).

I can guarantee you that no one is more upset with his drops than OBJ. But he keeps getting open, we just can’t get him the ball.

We need him to make an impact from here if we want to make the playoffs. If he isn’t traded he needs our full support. I don’t care what we pay him this year, it’s a sunk cost and it’s Jimmy Haslam stolen money which he bilked a bunch of working class truck drivers out of. I would rather it goes to anyone but Jimmy and Dee.

only on RCF are people spinning a game with 23 total yards and more drops as “getting us our biggest chunk on our much needed 2nd half TD drive”

the expectations and standards are on the literal ground. It’s like @Rich said, there is nothing the guy can do to convince the defenders that he is below average at this point. The feet are dug in and nothing can change that because years ago he used to be good

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Maybe the thread title should be "Ready for the Glue Factory."

I keed, I keed.....

 

[bob2the2nd]

so i want to start this with I loved OBJ on the Giants, and literally wore my browns shirt for a week straight when the browns traded for him. I want him to be the WR that was putting up 1200+ yards a season. That OBJ makes this offense absolutely unstoppable. However for whatever reason that OBJ doesnt seem to exist anymore. Maybe its the injuries, maybe its the play calling, maybe its not being force fed the ball. But for whatever reason the Giants OBJ is not the Browns OBJ. My hope is that somehow someway the light clicks; Baker comes back, OBJ gets healthy and they go set the world on fire, but that just doesnt seem realistic anymore. We watched OBJ struggle a lot of last season, we watched him struggle when he got back this season, and we watched him struggle last night with a different QB. At the same time almost to the moment that OBJ steps off the field Baker's numbers go up across the board. As a Baker fan and an OBJ fan it pains me to watch that, but its clear there is a lot more going on that just Baker not getting the ball to OBJ 10 times a game. Hopefully these guys figure out whats wrong in the next 10+ games, but at this point I cut OBJ the first day of the offseason and dont think twice. The only reason I think to keep him is if he is willing to restructure for something much closer to the numbers he is putting up (5-7 million/year) versus the 15 he is making right now.

 

[Los216]

The main criticism I'm seeing from Odell is that people love to point out that he's not the same WR as he was in his first 3 seasons and they're using that to dunk on them. It's like they want to compare him to himself and since he isn't at the extremely high level that he was 5 years ago people think that makes him useless.

If Odell was useless Higgins, DPJ, and Schwartz would all have bigger roles in the offense but they don't.

I also think that seeing the game on TV is not the same as watching it in person. On TV it looks like Odell is just off because he's not producing. In person he literally can't be covered. No other receiver on the team gets the separation that he does and it's not close.

Has he let too many balls hit the ground? Yes he has. Landry and Njoku both have more drops than Odell as a Brown though so it's not like drops are only specific to Odell.

And I already know the counter people have when comparing Landry's drops to Odell's drops. Let me start off by saying that Landry and Odell are two different receivers with two different roles. You never see Landry running Odell's route tree in this offense. Most of Landry's targets are within 10 yards. Odell's targets are of a wider variety. They do not play the same role in the offense. That's not an excuse for either player. I'm just pointing out that Odell is being put in a specific role in this offense and it's not like how he was used in New York.

In New York Odell lined up everywhere and got the ball in a variety of ways. It's pretty predictable on how he gets the ball here. Landry too. One thing that I don't understand is when Landry was out we never put Odell in motion and got him the ball on those quick throws like we did for Landry on the first play of the game last night. The whole time Landry was out we never used Odell like that. It's like no matter what, his role in this offense does not change and I think that has led to him pressing.

 

[The Oi]

I was hyped to see this dude healthy this year and straight out the gates we just aren’t seeing the production I hoped for.

 

[Douglar]

That’s fair. My main point is that he shouldn’t be getting snaps ahead of Higgins, Landry, or DPJ. Beckham is where he is on the depth chart because of his name imo. He shouldn’t be taking snaps from DPJ who actually looks very promising

he’s just not a good WR at this point. People look for every reason under the sun to excuse his mediocrity, but the truth is he’s just 100% washed. I am really looking forward to whatever team he is on next year because it’s going to be the same thing. Odell is the problem. It doesn’t mean Baker is elite, but Odell doesn’t have it

In my mind, there's a big difference between "mediocrity" and "100% washed". One is average performance. The other is zero performance.

I think everyone can agree that OBJ is not playing like an exceptionally awesome receiver, but I see the guy out there trying, and occasionally managing to contribute to the team, and doing so better than a practice squad guy, which puts him ahead of 99.999% of the people in the world in receiver ability. I mean, it's not like OBJ's play looks like Tim Tebow's comeback attempt or something.