Odell Beckham Jr.,: Seatbelts Ruin Lives

[ShawnKempIsMyDad]

How? Odell is still ahead of him on the depth chart, catches, and targets.

I like Odell, and I still think he can work. It's similar to what Mayfield is going through. We need him healthy over an extended period to really make a fair assessment. Right now Odell does suck, but will he always suck with us? I truly doubt that.

By a simply eye test it looks like DPJ is much better right now and it seems like he has more upside. I'm a little biased though. DPJ is one of my favorite players on the team right now.

 

[Vee-Rex]

Pretty sure the Browns have one of, if not the widest pass-catching distributions in the NFL. The role of ~premier unstoppable WR~ just doesn't seem to be as important in Stefanski's offense. Just as it wasn't in Minnesota when Stefon Diggs requested a trade.

A top-tier WR would be wonderful to have as I'm sure it raises the ceiling on what this offense could achieve, but OBJ does not appear to be that anymore and I don't think Stefanski loses any sleep over spreading the ball around.

 

[thestatman]

Beckham's drop percentage is probably the worst in all of football. He should be benched. Higgins deserves his minutes.

 

[thestatman]

so i want to start this with I loved OBJ on the Giants, and literally wore my browns shirt for a week straight when the browns traded for him. I want him to be the WR that was putting up 1200+ yards a season. That OBJ makes this offense absolutely unstoppable. However for whatever reason that OBJ doesnt seem to exist anymore. Maybe its the injuries, maybe its the play calling, maybe its not being force fed the ball. But for whatever reason the Giants OBJ is not the Browns OBJ. My hope is that somehow someway the light clicks; Baker comes back, OBJ gets healthy and they go set the world on fire, but that just doesnt seem realistic anymore. We watched OBJ struggle a lot of last season, we watched him struggle when he got back this season, and we watched him struggle last night with a different QB. At the same time almost to the moment that OBJ steps off the field Baker's numbers go up across the board. As a Baker fan and an OBJ fan it pains me to watch that, but its clear there is a lot more going on that just Baker not getting the ball to OBJ 10 times a game. Hopefully these guys figure out whats wrong in the next 10+ games, but at this point I cut OBJ the first day of the offseason and dont think twice. The only reason I think to keep him is if he is willing to restructure for something much closer to the numbers he is putting up (5-7 million/year) versus the 15 he is making right now.

OBJ is not worth 5- 7 million a year. No team in America would give the Browns even a number 7 round pick for him.

 

[kookoo]

Pretty sure the Browns have one of, if not the widest pass-catching distributions in the NFL. The role of ~premier unstoppable WR~ just doesn't seem to be as important in Stefanski's offense. Just as it wasn't in Minnesota when Stefon Diggs requested a trade.

A top-tier WR would be wonderful to have as I'm sure it raises the ceiling on what this offense could achieve, but OBJ does not appear to be that anymore and I don't think Stefanski loses any sleep over spreading the ball around.

I'd love the team to have a role of -consistently able to catch WR-

 

[Douglar]

Browns recievers ordered by Receiver Rating, ranked over the entire NFL--

DPJ is cleaning up--

Rank​	Player	Targets	Rec	Yds	Avg Yards Before Catch	Avg Yards After Catch	Avg Depth of target	Drop%	Rec Rating
1	Donovan Peoples-Jones	15	13	228	14.2	3.4	15.9	-	158.3
18	David Njoku	21	17	284	5.9	10.8	8.5	4.8%	134.6
23	Demetric Felton	12	11	111	-1.5	11.6	0.4	-	133.0
101	Jarvis Landry	14	11	117	3.5	7.2	5	-	101.5
109	Austin Hooper	22	14	143	3.9	6.4	3.8	4.5%	97.3
116	Kareem Hunt	24	20	161	-0.4	8.5	0	4.2%	94.6
181	Rashard Higgins	21	12	141	10.3	1.4	12	-	73.7
188	Odell Beckham Jr.	33	16	226	11.6	2.6	14.4	3%	71.0
209	Harrison Bryant	12	7	84	8	4	11.5	-	45.1
211	Anthony Schwartz	15	7	102	13.4	1.1	21.1	-	41.5

 

[Rich]

Where else can you get 2 catches for 23 yards at 20 million a year?

 

[Vee-Rex]

Browns recievers ordered by Receiver Rating, ranked over the entire NFL--

DPJ is cleaning up--

Rank​	Player	Targets	Rec	Yds	Avg Yards Before Catch	Avg Yards After Catch	Avg Depth of target	Drop%	Rec Rating
1	Donovan Peoples-Jones	15	13	228	14.2	3.4	15.9	-	158.3
18	David Njoku	21	17	284	5.9	10.8	8.5	4.8%	134.6
23	Demetric Felton	12	11	111	-1.5	11.6	0.4	-	133.0
101	Jarvis Landry	14	11	117	3.5	7.2	5	-	101.5
109	Austin Hooper	22	14	143	3.9	6.4	3.8	4.5%	97.3
116	Kareem Hunt	24	20	161	-0.4	8.5	0	4.2%	94.6
181	Rashard Higgins	21	12	141	10.3	1.4	12	-	73.7
188	Odell Beckham Jr.	33	16	226	11.6	2.6	14.4	3%	71.0
209	Harrison Bryant	12	7	84	8	4	11.5	-	45.1
211	Anthony Schwartz	15	7	102	13.4	1.1	21.1	-	41.5

And people be like, "Well what's the downside of having him?"

There - right there. He's getting way more targets (especially given he only played 5 games) than the rest of the team, and is a whopping 48.5 catch%. Terrible.

Well what about 2020? Terrible catch% still. He's open all the time... why not target him more? 133 targets in 2019... and still a terrible catch%.

With all due respect to his talent, it simply isn't working here. That's why I'd personally prefer to see DPJ get more targets. Sure, he won't maintain his 86.7 catch% but he'll probably still output more than what OBJ has done. The high targets vs. low catch% is indeed hurting the offense no matter how much you want to blame Baker or Case for it.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Landry though, he makes catches.

Landry had a bunch of terrible drops last year in major moments.

 

[shoes22]

Browns recievers ordered by Receiver Rating, ranked over the entire NFL--

DPJ is cleaning up--

Rank​	Player	Targets	Rec	Yds	Avg Yards Before Catch	Avg Yards After Catch	Avg Depth of target	Drop%	Rec Rating
1	Donovan Peoples-Jones	15	13	228	14.2	3.4	15.9	-	158.3
18	David Njoku	21	17	284	5.9	10.8	8.5	4.8%	134.6
23	Demetric Felton	12	11	111	-1.5	11.6	0.4	-	133.0
101	Jarvis Landry	14	11	117	3.5	7.2	5	-	101.5
109	Austin Hooper	22	14	143	3.9	6.4	3.8	4.5%	97.3
116	Kareem Hunt	24	20	161	-0.4	8.5	0	4.2%	94.6
181	Rashard Higgins	21	12	141	10.3	1.4	12	-	73.7
188	Odell Beckham Jr.	33	16	226	11.6	2.6	14.4	3%	71.0
209	Harrison Bryant	12	7	84	8	4	11.5	-	45.1
211	Anthony Schwartz	15	7	102	13.4	1.1	21.1	-	41.5

If I’m reading this chart correctly...based on receiver rating Donovan Peoples-Jones is the #1 receiver in the entire NFL?

 

[buzzdog]

Just about everyone has given up on OBJ.

OBJ hasn't given up on himself though, not yet. He's still running the routes hard, blocking downfield, being a good team mate in general.

I'm not giving up on him at this point. There's a lot of season left to play and I think he can still prove the flaming torch and pitchfork mob wrong.

 

[Vee-Rex]

Shall we talk replacements? Since we know he’s likely gone. It’S jUSt CoNvErSaTiOn.

Tavon Austin. Khadarel Hodge. Willie Snead. Travis Benjamin. WhO eLsE?

 

[Mr. Orange]

I know people are mad at Beckham for his lack of production, but let’s not forget who traded for him.

John Dorsey. And he has been fired.

Now, dumping Peppers in the trade almost makes it worth it in my view, but there is no way of knowing who Dorsey would have selected in the draft. For every Chubb there was a Corbett.

Odell won’t be back next year at his price, but we sure need him this year. Let’s hope things click soon.

 

[Bkerr02]

With the WR room a little banged up I wouldn’t mind calling Houston for a Brandon cooks trade. He would fit very nicely in this offense. Doesn’t demand a bunch of targets and can really stretch the defense.

 

[FiveThous]

Cooks is the best WR that most people don’t talk about. Dude just puts up numbers no matter where he plays or who is throwing him the ball